The Twin Peaks Massacre Coverup

The Aging Rebel ^ | 9/7/2015

[TexasGator]

“Where, exactly, does it say “258 members of the Bandidos were arrested”? I’ll tell you where. It doesn’t.”

Correction: ‘Bandidos and affiliates’.

[TexasGator]

Thanks for showing how deep these gangs are into each other and drug 'distribution'.

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Jorge Rivera, 37, and Jennifer Flores, 35, were arrested without incident as a result of a search warrant that was executed at their residence. During the search of the residence, officers seized 6 high-powered rifles, 1 semi-automatic pistol, and over 500 grams of cocaine. Rivera and Flores were both arrested and charged on allegations involving conspiracy with the intent to distribute cocaine. Rivera was later identified as the Northwest Chapter president of the Bandido Motorcycle Club in San Antonio and Flores was identified as an associate.

Jesse Gutierrez, 24, was arrested at his residence in San Antonio without incident on felony warrants for allegations involving possession with the intent to distribute 250 grams of methamphetamine and felon in possession of a firearm. Officers also seized 4 grams of marijuana from the residence. Gutierrez was later identified as a member of the Tango Orejon gang and an associate of the Bandido Motorcycle Club in San Antonio.

Ismael Caracheo, 25, was arrested without incident on a felony warrant for an allegation involving possession with the intent to distribute heroin. Caracheo was later identified as a member of the Tango Orejon gang in San Antonio.

Alfred Finamore, 29, and Christopher Rodarte, 31 were arrested without incident while an alleged drug deal was taking place in the parking lot of a shopping center. During a search incident to arrest, officers seized 110 grams of heroin and $645.00 in currency. Finamore and Rodarte were both arrested and charged on allegations involving possession with the intent to deliver 4-200 grams of methamphetamine. Finamore and Rodarte were later identified as members of the Tango Orejon gang in San Antonio.

James Dean Gonzales, 55, was arrested without incident as a result of a search warrant that was executed at his residence. During the search of the residence, officers seized over 600 grams of methamphetamine and $7000.00 in currency. Gonzales was arrested and charged on allegations involving conspiracy with the intent to distribute methamphetamine and possession with the intent to distribute methamphetamine. Gonzales was later identified as one of the main suppliers of illegal drugs to the Bandido Motorcycle Club chapters in San Antonio.

[TexasGator]

“Most of them appear to be guys with jobs and families.”

If they cared about their families they would have been in church that day instead of at a breastaurant gang fight.

[Cboldt]

Again, you said "When police witness you participating in a deadly gang fight, that's all the probable cause they need."

Implied in your assertion is that participation in a deadly gang fight is probable cause. And, indeed it is. But the police did not make any particular allegation of participating in a deadly gang fight, so whatever probable cause that is worth (a substantial amount, in my estimation), was not used in the affidavit in support of arrest.

-- Not citing that [participating in a deadly gang fight] as probable cause for arrest is no obstacle from them making any eventual indictments on those charges. --

I agree, but that's (slightly) changing the subject from what I was replying to.

And not arresting does not preclude later indictment, arrest, and prosecution.

There is no statute of limitation on murder, so theoretically, the DA could wait years, even decades to build the murder case, before indicting. For assault, IIRC, the statute of limitations is two or three years.

What arresting without probable cause opens up, is claims against the arresting officers, jurisdiction, and state for deprivation of civil rights and false arrest.

[TexasGator]

“On one defense attorney, probably because he was spouting nonsense not supported by the facts and trying to prejudice the jury pool.”

Was that looney Looney? The dude that was so stupid as to use the phone to make unethical favors for sex from one of his clients that was smart enough to record the phone calls for evidence in her suit against him?

I wonder how much he lost on that one.

Also,

He lied about being Timothy McVeighs lawyer and talking about TM and the Boston bomber he said he didn’t care whether they were guilty or not, they didn’t deserve to rot in jail.

And BTW, one of his partners was disbarred.

[Osage Orange]

So...you don't smell nothing?

I mean...there has been some..let's say interesting stuff in this case.

Some unprecedented stuff....IMO.

You and I have not exchanged posts...I don't think.

What horse do you have in this race?

I've no history of LEO work...Do you?

Oh...I respect LEO's and know they have a hard job.

I am a law biding..taxpaying citizen. I don't like paying 50% of my income to government, though.

I want the truth...for my money...but when it appears that "government" controls the "truth"...I get interested.

And I don't trust my government. Which I think is healthy. Do you trust them?

This is why I originally signed on to FR....

How about you?

[TexasGator]

“But the police did not make any particular allegation of participating in a deadly gang fight”

They alleged by name participation in a gang to commit or conspire to commit murder, capital murder or assault.

Your evasive semantics are tiring and beneath you.

[TexasGator]

“I am a law biding..taxpaying citizen.”

I must include you in the minority of those supporting the conspiracy. I think it was Finny that said most of you had criminal records.

[saleman]

It mentions, what? 5, 6, that are Bandidos or associates. Not 258 like you have been spewing for day upon day.

Correction. It mentions 2 members and one associate. Slightly less than the number you said. I would agree, 2 is too many. So why the need to exaggerate?

Correction. 1 member and 1 associate. I assumed Jennifer Flores was involved in the club, gang, whatever. But it is not mentioned.

[TexasGator]

“Since it’s been established that he was an undercover agent, and has been identified as having infiltrated Cossacks MC, it is highly unlikely that he would not have been carrying a concealed weapon, even before he was photographed holding a rifle while standing next to a uniformed LEO.”

LOL! If you repeat a falsehood enough times some will believe it.

Since you say it has been ‘established’ I am sure you can give us a link to that. All I have seen is a bunch of speculation.

[BlueDragon]

No, I don't think Cossacks are 1%'ers.

There is no 1%'er diamond on this man's cut.

Wayne Lee Campbell

He was a so-called 'road captain' too, I think. Poor guy. Now's he's dead. But not because he was a 1%'er as you appear to allege.

I feel sorry for his wife. And kids. I think this couple may have had children --- OR --- was he the one with an ex-wife, who had custody of children they had together...and among the last things he did before riding to Waco, was to drop off some money with that ex-wife, for those children?

The way it was put, the 'story' was that whichever man it was who ended up among the number of dead Cossacks, had thought of the possibility he might not come back.

That does not equate with that man (whoever that were to be, provided the 'story' itself was accurate as for cause and reason) deliberately going there in order to engage in crime, and go out of his way to start a fight, but instead indicates to me that he knew (as most all the Cossacks did, it is reasonable enough to conclude) could face being assaulted by Bandidos.

And he was...if he wasn't one that was simply shot to death by the police.

[BlueDragon]

You speak to me when you are spoken to, Puddles.

Otherwise, bang off. Or whatever it is you are doing...

[Cboldt]

You are an idiot. You aren't able to comprehend the legal point made by the Texas Tenth Court of Appeals, merely repeated in this thread. The point you make in argument is with THEM, not with me.

There is nothing intentionally evasive in my remarks. I have used more words than necessary because sophists and intellectually dishonest posters, like you, quibble over trivialities, making issues of terminology and language rather than attempting good faith discussion to find actual differences of opinion.

[TexasGator]

“He was a so-called ‘road captain’ too, I think. “

One of the main duties of the road captain is to ensure the safety of the members of the ride.

Dude sure failed on this one!

[TexasGator]

Hey, If you dudes can continually claim that 117 of the arrested bikers had no criminal records and ignore the facts all is fair game.

[mac_truck]

You will have to commit felonies to get patched into a 1% club, and the Cossacks certainly are a 1% club.

Your comment reminded me of this photo with the Cossack road captain sporting double lightning bolts on his arm and his Sargent at Arms wearing a similar patch.

I'm sure one of our resident "experts" will be along to explain away any possible negative connotations associated with those markings as well as an innocent explaination about why these Cossacks were hiding behind that building....after doing their DUE DILLIGENCE of course!

[Boogieman]

“There is no 1%’er diamond on this man’s cut.”

Not all 1%ers or 1% clubs wear that patch, so that really doesn’t mean much.

They claim turf like a 1% club, engaged in a turf war with another 1% club, and engaged in typical 1% tactics during that war (stealing another club’s cut), so what else are could they be?

“but instead indicates to me that he knew ... could face being assaulted by Bandidos.”

Why would ordinary law-abiding citizens go out of their way to go confront a deadly criminal gang that they knew wanted to assault and/or kill them? I wouldn’t do that, no law abiding person I know would do that either. It really doesn’t make any sense, especially when you know they were already in contact with the police, and knew the police were informed of the situation.

[Cboldt]

That was so much fun, that I'm going to repeat it, this time with emphasis.

You are an idiot. You aren't able to comprehend the simple statement made by the Texas Tenth Court of Appeals ...

Plainly, the affidavit does not allege that Pilkington or Weathers committed one of the underlying offenses of capital murder, murder, or aggravated assault ...

The point you make in argument is with THEM, not with me.

[Osage Orange]

I must include you in the minority of those supporting the conspiracy. I think it was Finny that said most of you had criminal records.

TG....you are something. A pimple faced 17 yr old...or an old bored "I got a computer" slightly senile geezer.

And a known liar here....

Does that about sum it up?

Well...you won't admit to that last charge..But, I have the proof.

Can't argue with your own words..It's documented. It's archived.

Just today...you lied like a big dog. To cover yourself...But, once again...you are exposed...for the liar you are.

I don't know what "finny" said...but I'd guess it wasn't what you said it was........

[Boogieman]

Good catch!

You don’t get to wear those bolts in an outlaw club unless you have actually committed some serious (violent) crime on behalf of the club. Those are the marks of a proven soldier.