Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
“Why do you suppose there is such voluminous opposition to your positions, and with so much accompanying disgust? “
LOL.
I guess some cannot handle the facts and react with anger and disgust to my presentations. I can’t say what is in their heads.
“Good God, lock up your church ladies. The heathen cometh, to bear them away to breastaurants. “
I forgot who posted that the church ladies were evil statists. Was it you?
If I were like some here, I would make up a post misrepresenting your post with something like:
But I won’t step that low.
You know it wasn't you...but you don't know who it was.
How..can we have many actual facts...when there are gag orders, lack of forthcoming from the dept's that were there...etc.
Do you not think...there's been some shading stuff going on? Do you not think the Waco Police Dept has been totally on the up and up?
Do you think everyone that was arrested were treated correctly..according to the law?
You know...you can just keep on being how you are... And I will keep on being me.
You square with that?
LOL!
It was from the song “Money” by the Led Zeppelin.
You guys are so desperate ...
You...can't even quote that correctly.
Very liberal of ya!!
“If these two biker gangs (or clubs or whatever they are) hated each other so much, why did they assemble next to each other at this location in such mass?”
The Bandidos are the largest outlaw biker gang in Texas. They run a group called the “Conferation of Clubs and Independents”. That is kind of a national group, but the state chapters are run independantly. It began as a legitimate association of motorcycle clubs with noble goals, but most of the state COC’s, if not all of them, have been taken over by the larger outlaw clubs, who use them as front organizations.
The Bandidos, holding the presidency of the COCI, would demand that other clubs join and pay dues to them, as a kind of legal cover for extortion payments. Those clubs that did not join could face violent retribution from the Bandidos for not paying the so called “road tax”. Some exceptions are usually made for some kinds of clubs though, like non-harley riders, or Christian clubs, etc. The Cossacks were a smaller outlaw club, who did join the COC, but then got upset because they found out the Bandidos support clubs (kind of like junior clubs that are recruiting tools) were not being made to pay COC dues.
So, the Cossacks left the COC and started wearing the “Texas” rocker on their cuts anyway, as a sign of defiance to the Bandidos (only Bandidos and their support clubs, or those they give permission to, can wear that rocker because it is a territorial claim). In outlaw circles, this act was essentially a declaration of war. What followed were a number of violent incidents between the two gangs, including at least one murder prior to the events at Waco.
The Waco incident happened when the Bandidos decided to move the District 1 COCI meeting to Waco, the Bandidos’ home turf, and called on their members and support club members from outside the district to attend. It was, at the very least, intended to be a “show of force” to the Cossacks to intimidate them. It doesn’t appear the Cossacks were invited, but there are some reports that they may have been invited on premises of a “sit down”. Nobody really knows, at this point, whether that was true, or if true, whether it was a setup on the part of the Bandidos.
Whatever the reason, the Cossacks showed up to the COCI meeting, ahead of the Bandidos, and took over the patio section that was reserved by Bandidos members. Then, when the Bandidos showed up, all hell broke loose between the two gangs pretty quickly.
“Am I right to say that over 150 American Citizens are sitting in jail right now, without having been charged with a crime?”
No, there have been criminal affidavits made against them to support their arrest, though they have not been formally indicted yet. Texas law allows for that type of detention before the indictment, but probable cause must be shown before a judge, and that has happened (not sure if all those hearings are over yet but so far, in all that were conducted, the judge concluded there was probable cause). Most of them have already been released on bail, except for a few who did not pay their bail.
“You cannot shoot a person because they shot a dog, if you do, it’s homicide.”
You shoot at my dog at night and I’ll consider it as Criminal Mischief.
The law in question is state Penal Code Title 2, Chapter 9, Section 42, which says using deadly force to protect one’s property is justified in limited circumstances, including when the person “reasonably believes” such force is necessary to prevent imminent “theft during the nighttime” or “criminal mischief during the nighttime.”
These dudes are unreal. Desperation reigns.
I put up a line from Led Zeppelin while I was listening to their song, Money. They don’t recognize it and claim I am incorrectly quoting the bible! Then when they learn of their ignorance, they say I didn’t quote LZ correctly! Of course they didn’t cite the lyrics to show where I misquoted them. But I have provided them directly from a website to show that OO’s attack is purely fictional.
Not to mention that earlier today I put up the lyrics to the whole song. I guess OO missed that post.
Me: Money ... so they say ... IS the root of all evil ... today ...
You: You...can’t even quote that correctly.
Lyrics: Money, so they say Is the root of all evil today
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/pink+floyd/money_20108700.html
What you will not (or perhaps can not) fathom is there is a difference between calling someone a Nazi or a Communist and pointing out how history can show how certain actions impelled by certain mindsets lead to certain outcomes.
I assume no one here wants the outcomes of Germany, Russia and China.
Alarm bells should have been sounding and should have been amplified by the press over mass arrests, flimsy probable cause, excessive bail, (resulting in punishing the presumed innocent). Pointing this out does not equate to calling someone a Nazi.
We all want to know what really happened on 5/17. But, the aftermath is what is equally and perhaps more important, even vital.
I am related to bikers, I grew up around bikers, I am very close friends or siblings with many and have spent well over 50 years on the periphery of normal independent bikers as well as had semi family-ties with truly seriously bad-ass criminal dudes, gang bikers who went to prison for good reason.
I, however, am not a biker. I DO understand that whether we're talking American bikers or any other demographic, violent criminals are very different from outlaws and rebels. I value, respect and love many outlaws and rebels; I abhor criminals who assault, abuse, rob, murder, kidnap, and/or extort innocents.
You'll see that the folks who guy the "heroic cops versus evil bikers" narrative fail entirely to perceive the difference between a violent criminal and a rebel outlaw.
Rebel outlaws CREATED AMERICA.
Violent criminals harm innocents.
And the half-dozen or so boot-licker FReepers here who believe 117 members of "criminal biker gangs" with zero criminal histories conspired to commit murder and mayhem at a busy public restaurant during Sunday brunch in the presence of God only knows how many marked police cars, are worth ignoring about 99 percent of the time -- it makes reading these threads much more informative and enlightening.
“I think it’s simply that you are found offensive by many, and offense excites passion and brings meaning to your experience of life. “
I think I had a discussion with one of you weeks ago. He noted that posting personal attacks against me brought meaning to his life. I said that I was glad for him that now he had a purpose in live.
If that is what you have found in posting to me, cheers to you.
“No, I’m just an ordinary car-driving American patriot who’s had her run-ins with the law over the years, and richly deserved being arrested the few times (so far!) that I’ve been arrested! {^) “
Thank you for your honesty.
“You’ll see that the folks who guy the “heroic cops versus evil bikers” narrative fail entirely to perceive the difference between a violent criminal and a rebel outlaw. “
Thank you for the dishonesty.
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