The Twin Peaks Massacre Coverup

The Aging Rebel ^ | 9/7/2015

[Boogieman]

“Diving under a table is participating.”

People generally tend to take cover in a gunfight, even the participants.

[Smokin' Joe]

Some people should not be allowed internet access!

Well, as long as you're crapping on The First Amendment, care to try for the religion clauses, too?

[ctdonath2]

Six months delay before trial with specific charges and serious evidence is normal, even preferable if on bail, giving time to formulate a viable defense.

Six months incarcerated with only vague charges and no evidence is a serious affront to a citizen’s liberty & rights.

I understand what’s the norm. I also understand what looks like the state desperately doing everything it can to nail them on _something_ to avoid a _very_ embarrassing outcome (to wit: “sniper ambush” without good cause). They’d better have a good case (both legitimate & winnable), because if they don’t a bunch of their own will be in jail for life.

[Boogieman]

“This shooting was very atypical”

Except for all the other public shootings between outlaw biker gangs, like these, for example:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3329769/posts?page=223#223

[Boogieman]

“In 1993 law enforcers instigated a gunfight in Mt. Carmel...”

Wrong. You can argue all you want about the tactics and culpability of LE in that incident, but one thing that is undeniable is that the Branch Davidians opened fire first, killing law enforcement on day 1.

[Smokin' Joe]

I choose not to associate with criminals or criminal organizations.

And you belong to which political Party?

[mad_as_he$$]

BS there is no released information to indicate that one way or the other.

[Boogieman]

Personally, I don’t think they’re trolls or anything. There has always been a contingent of conspiracy theorists on FR, from the very beginning. They used to worry about “black helicopters” and “FEMA camps”, and now this is just the latest theory.

Personally, I think they are gullible and not too logical, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t good conservatives in other respects.

One thing I do object to is they tend to accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with them of being “plants”, etc. That’s silly and not conducive to good dialogue.

[Boogieman]

No ballistics report yet, but the autopsies show there were definitely multiple shooters firing different caliber weapons.

[Robert Teesdale]

So are you on record denying the existence of criminal biker gangs?

I'm on record stating that the propaganda against motorcycle clubs by you and several others is:

• Ineffective
  
  
• Desperate
  
  
• Silly
  
  
• Masturbatory

Do you also believe the mafia doesn’t exist?

Organized crime exists. The "Mafia" of Puzo and Scorcese is identical to the motorcycle clubs of Sutter and the History Channel: soap opera nonsense. Fun, engaging, great cinematic experience, but still soap opera nonsense.

Those who talk the loudest about "criminal biker gangs" know the least about how a motorcycle club actually functions, let alone a 1%er club.

It's like a pair of incredibly earnest virgins arguing about glans displacement and pelvic rolls. Really.

You embarrass yourselves, often unknowingly, which is even more in poor taste and amusing to those who can spot such poser idiocy from a great distance.

[Cboldt]

I suspect we disagree on the meaning of "participating," in this case.

The affidiavit doesn't allege perpetration of capital murder, murder, or aggravated assault on the part of any individual, so there is no probable cause, in the affidavit, for those offenses.

Plainly, the affidavit does not allege that Pilkington or Weathers committed one of the underlying offenses of capital murder, murder, or aggravated assault, one of the two means of committing the second main element. See TEX. PENAL CODE ANN. 71.02(a)(1) ("the person commits or conspires to commit one or more of the following"). Thus, we turn to each appellant's specific complaint that the affidavit does not allege an agreement; i.e., that he conspired to commit one of the underlying offenses ...

[Boogieman]

It's not a really good conspiracy theory without an Umbrella Man!

[mad_as_he$$]

boogieman are you full of BS or just a liar?

Who fired first on that day, the Branch Davidians or the ATF?

The question of who fired first is in dispute. ATF agents who participated in the raid have testified in court and at a congressional hearing that the Branch Davidians fired the first shots. Right after the raid, however, one ATF agent told an investigator that a fellow agent may have shot first, when he killed a dog outside the compound. The agent later retracted the statement, saying that the Branch Davidians had initiated the gunfire. Surviving Branch Davidians have maintained that they did not shoot their guns until they were fired upon by federal authorities.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten.html#fired

There is plenty of disagreement about who started the shooting. The ATF agent that said that another agent shot a dog was “wrong”? ya right, LEO’s shooting a dog never happens.

[Boogieman]

“This analogy would work if the “Mafia” that got shot up was a bunch of Italian-American men and women with zero/zip/nada criminal histories or records....”

Hey, there is no such things as “La Cosa Nostra”. They’re just legitimate Italian-American businessmen, am I right?

[Robert Teesdale]

boogieman are you full of BS or just a liar?

Both are key elements of propaganda.

The question of who fired first is in dispute. ATF agents who participated in the raid have testified in court and at a congressional hearing that the Branch Davidians fired the first shots. Right after the raid, however, one ATF agent told an investigator that a fellow agent may have shot first, when he killed a dog outside the compound. The agent later retracted the statement, saying that the Branch Davidians had initiated the gunfire. Surviving Branch Davidians have maintained that they did not shoot their guns until they were fired upon by federal authorities.

Well, it's a moot point now isn't it? The State got what it wanted, which was to prove that relentless, remorseless and murderous brutality is behind each act of the Leviathan. Plus, good for a couple of promotions.

[Cboldt]

As to Mt. Carmel, there is also the issue of which direction bullets went through the front metal door, which disappeared from evidence.

[Boogieman]

“Cossacks corner Bandido on highway, beat him up with chains and wrenches and take his patch.”

Yeah, classic outlaw biker move. ONLY they do stuff like that, so there is no doubt at all that the Cossacks were criminals.

[Boogieman]

The Bandidos intended to travel into enemy (Cossack) territory. That’s why they moved the meeting to Waco for the first time ever, and ordered their soldiers from around the state to show up.

They were pissing on the other dogs’ territory.

[Boogieman]

There have been allegations (unconfirmed) that one of the Cossacks’ prospects was an undercover cop.

If so, then that would explain how the cops knew who was who.

[Cboldt]

-- Now, whether or not paying extortion to criminals so you and your buddies can ride a Harley in peace is being a good citizen, that's another question altogether. --

By the logic of the Texas Tenth Court of Appeals, paying extortion to criminals creates probable cause that you have joined a criminal conspiracy.