Waco Biker Massacre: Inconclusive Autopsy Reports, Absurd Court Decisions, Gag Order Maintained

Reason ^ | August 28, 2015 | Brian Doherty

[Osage Orange]

So,,,retired pharm clerks..can't be Pastors?

Pastors can't carry?

I can't have multiple guns in my car?

What is your specific malfunction?

Did you lie today?

[TexasGator]

“Yeah...and they ran up on them and jumped to shoot them from an above angle!!”

You nailed it!

““Then all the Bandidos standing in the parking lot started pulling guns and shooting at us,” he said. “There were maybe 60 or 70 of us in the parking lot.

We took off running. We scattered. Three of our guys went down instantly. They caught a couple more that tripped and fell, and Bandidos were shooting at them.””

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html

[TexasGator]

“And, Pat m’love, it’s pretty sad to reveal that you’re just now reading an article you threw up multiple posts on”

I was just responding to the multiple gloaters calling me out before I even saw the thread.

I never got into the article before. Something about your posting that photo and calling me Pat triggered something ...

What a riot!

[Osage Orange]

You don't get it...do you?

How many times have you lied here on FR in the last 2 days?

[TexasGator]

“You don’t get it...do you?”

I do. Now you need to get it. NO amount of goading is going to make me climb down into the gutter of personal attacks.

That is the last I will say to you on that.

Post what you like. I really don’t give a hoot.

[Osage Orange]

You are a liar...

And you know it...and many FReepers know it.

Want me to post it all again...I can.

Boot licker!

[TexasGator]

OO is losing it!

Anything we can do to save him?

[AMDG&BVMH]

“Osage orange, hedge apple”

Maybe his namesake can save him!

The osage orange, aka hedge apple, has much connotation with my experience in farming. My father told me, and I have confirmed by research, that the Native Peoples used the Osage Orange wood for bows, and would travel widely to procure that wood. They would trade for it. Hence the artifacts of those peoples, spread very widely from where they lived.

The Osage Orange was used for hedge rows. The prickly parts forming a formidable hedge, would keep the cows in the pasture!

The Osage Orange wood is strong. My father made walking sticks from it. We used the local Amish saw mill to make stakes from it, so our trees could grow straighter. The wood will last for generations.

We used the hedge balls to make Christmas decorations! Painting them, or making a hole in them, in which to place candles.

We also collect the hedge balls in the fall, and put them into places where spiders like, because the hedge balls / hedge apples, are said to protect the home against spiders and other insects.

[TexasGator]

One of the other dudes made a statement that most of the US was appalled about the Waco massacre.

I don’t even remember how I got to these youtube videos. Don’t waste your time watching but all the gangbots should get a kick out of the ‘headshots’ starting at 13:15.

Warning! Graphics are poorly done.

NO ONE WAS KILLED AT WACO!

It was only a training drill!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v2SLLGm5FQ

[Osage Orange]

You and I know...you are a liar.

Period.

I don't have the inclination or time to find that post right now..but I will dig it up soon.

You are a liar...and you know it.

[Osage Orange]

Pretty much, true.

It's a nice wood..when put to good use.

Lot's of fence posts were made of that wood....back in the day.

[Osage Orange]

Here's a copy of the exchange you had on a thread. Then of course avoided my pointed question...but trolled me on another thread...like a dumbass.

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Osage Orange to TexasGator

“We had a few Freepers backing Mike Nifong to the bitter end here ion FR”

And TexasGator replies....

I don’t remember any!

Let me just point out again...to anyone paying attention.

That Duke Lacrosse fiasco happened in 2006 TexasGator, was not here in 2006.

TexasGator...supposedly got here in Aug of 2013

FWIW-

I can't remember any..??

Which implies you were here! Yet you made a point to say to me... you were too busy during that time to be here.

So, which is it?

Once again....you are lying or you were here!!

Funny thing about this place...your words are recorded. I mean...keep talking cause you are digging yourself a hole.

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TG....you were caught lying..one way or another.

We all know...pretty much what you are doing here..and to boot you are a liar.

You have no cred here.

Why should anyone here believe anything you say?

[USNBandit]

He's not a boot licker. He just hates Bandidos. I lived in a town with Bandidos. I hate them too. Not because I hate bikers, but I am less than tolerant with people that specialize in dealing drugs to teenagers and statutory rape.

Most of this article was regurgitated from a biker blog. I don't really care how inaccurate it is. I did find this interesting, though

He said he thinks the Englishes were aware of the rift between the Cossacks and Bandidos and they were there that day as a show of support for the Bandidos.

I don't entirely believe this. I think the Englishes were there to hang out with their Bandido buddies. I don't think Mr English knew there was going to be a fight because nobody brings their wife to a brawl, much less a gun fight.

I am as frustrated as anybody with the slow (or non-existent) flow of information, but the tone of all of these threads has gotten out of hand. Any question of the most outlandish factually devoid statements gets one labeled as a troll or worse. Might as well be over at DU or #BlackLivesMatter for that kind of garbage.

One other thing that might be helpful for people when they are digging through the morass of this situation. Many have discounted the statements made by Cossacks. As a direct party to the incident, their statements should be taken with a grain of salt. That being said a lot of guilty parties tell the police a lot of totally truthful things, just not about their own particular actions. If a Cossack says he saw a Bandido shoot his buddy in the chest, that probably happened. That doesn't mean they weren't shooting at the same time. Just something to think about since they didn't say they were getting shot at by police.

[AMDG&BVMH]

Why did they explode Abraham Lincoln’s head in the video?

[Robert Teesdale]

don-o, thanks for keeping these threads going. It is REALLY helping me and I am certain many other FReepers, to sort true conservatives from naïve sheltered ones who watch too damned much TV, from downright suspiciously anti-liberty pro-tyranny folks posing as "conservative," though admittedly it's next to impossible to discern the merely sheltered/gullible ones from the truly anti-American.

I agree , don-o has been doing everyone a strong service by keeping this matter at the forefront.

With respect to the weeding and sorting between ally and adversary, that's always a ongoing process. Counterintelligence is an enterprise continuity effort, something to repeatedly pursue and with the understanding that all issue closure is transient. One must always go back and revisit.

Can there really be that many grown-up self-described "conservatives" who view American bikers with the same accuracy that Ralphie viewed the utility of having a Red Ryder bb-gun to defend his family and home against Black Bart and his gang of bad guys?

There is never a shortage of your fellow men willing to don a uniform and load trains by force. I strongly recommend the first part of a well-done analysis from Casey Research (the second half is aimed more at investors):

The Ascendance of Sociopaths in US Governance

In particular, a very important point is made:

On the other hand, the distribution of sociopaths is completely uniform across both space and time. Per capita, there were no more evil people in Stalin's Russia, Hitler's Germany, Mao's China, Amin's Uganda, Ceausescu's Romania or Pol Pot's Cambodia than there are today in the US. All you need is favorable conditions for them to bloom, much as mushrooms do after a rainstorm.

Conditions for them in the US are becoming quite favorable. Have you ever wondered where the 50,000 people employed by the TSA to inspect and degrade you came from? Most of them are middle-aged. Did they have jobs before they started doing something that any normal person would consider demeaning? Most did, but they were attracted to – not repelled by – a job where they wear a costume and abuse their fellow citizens all day.

I agree with the finding that conditions are now favorable in the United States as described. Consequently, it would do well for you to be prepared for the aforementioned bloom.

ECO, with such an impressive name, like a three-piece suit ... you mean to tell me that you are so incredibly gullible that you believe the police narrative on the whole Waco charade? Such nonsense as ordinary wallet chains as "weapons"?

My opinion is worthless and unnecessary; nonetheless I will offer it.

Ethan and TexasGator and a few others are not suffering from gullibility or declaring belief of sincere trust in the rectitude of the State or the moral imperatives of law and order. Those are merely gossamer whispers of color, wrapped and layered around a hard pillar of something far more frightening: the heartless interest of an excited sociopath.

Nevermind. You are either that gullible and sheltered ... or you are that devious an agent against American liberty. It can only be one of the two.

It's neither, it's merely a side effect of the bloom.

It has been with interest that I have watched the back and forth between Ethan, TexasGator, and others. The anger that is provoked by their posts; the difficulty in pinning down an exact example; their evident pleasure in the success of their manipulations of dialogue; the revulsion that is the end result of interaction. It is not a mysterious thing.

Evil is the exercise of political power - that is, the imposition of one's will upon others by overt or covert coercions - in order to avoid... spiritual growth. (Peck)

And:

The feeling that a healthy person often experiences in the presence of an evil one is revulsion. (Peck)

Sociopaths ascend, and the devoted architects of the Adversary walk as lions upon the earth, their prowls inbued with purpose and anticipation.

We've all been here before. On this day in history, Poland was invaded and the great lions sprang and tore and fed. We all know where that led, too.

Am I saying that Ethan and TexasGator are evil?

How does the social contract they espouse make you feel?

It's only a clue. That's all I offer.

As I noted, my opinion is worthless and unnecessary.

But I have one.

[Robert Teesdale]

You have a problem with people that go to church?

Some.

Positive Christianity

There are other examples, but the above will suffice.

[Finny]

Gee, thanks a lot for cheering me up, pal!

;^)

I am afraid you nailed it.

[Finny]

Again, RT nailed the sociopaths angle to a tee. That they're in the TSA and on too many police forces, is one thing.

But that there are FOUR (on this thread) to EIGHT (on current Waco threads in general) of these sociopaths who thrive on Free Republic ...

... that's something else again.

RT, your words are worth re-reading to remember the context of the whole thing -- as I said, I'm afraid you nailed it all too accurately. One reads your post coming away knowing that much more about what's going on. And knowledge is power.

[Robert Teesdale]

Gee, thanks a lot for cheering me up, pal!

We're not rotting naked and bound at the bottom of a pit. Life is always full of beautifully lovely potentialities before we get to that point.

[TexasGator]

“Positive Christianity” is dead.

You were expressing concern with PRESENT church goers, particularly female church goers ...