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To: Nep Nep

“Witness reports say the dead bodies were caused by the police, and the police are hiding the evidence.”

Where are these “witness reports”?

“Video gagged. Autopsies gagged. By the prosecutor not the defendants.”

Yeah, not that unusual while investigations and prep for the prosecution is going on. It’s a whole lot more unusual for evidence to be released to the public prior to the trial, because that can taint the jury pool.

“Police were already there in force before any incident occurred. So the options are to a) believe the police even though they have suppressed all evidence and stacked the grand jury with a foreman from among their own ranks; or b) sophisticated career criminals are going to commit murders in plain view of an obvious and overwhelming police presence.”

Who said they were “sophisticated”? These are biker gangs, not international espionage rings. Biker gangs have many times in the past demonstrated their willingness to go to war with each other in broad daylight, in full view of the public and even the police. It’s even a point of pride for them.

“If we follow your logic, anytime a government agent shoots someone, the associates of the dead person are the first ones we should suspect are to blame for the killing.”

Nope, that’s not my logic. Now, if the government sees criminals and their associates, in public, committing mass violence and murder, then of course they should arrest those involved.

“Ultimately your position is based on blind faith in the government, a position which time and time again has proven to be foolish, not only in the general case but also in the last mass murder case in Waco itself.”

Nope, not blind faith, just refusal to believe paranoid conspiracy theories with no evidence. We’ll see whose position is foolish in a few months, when the trials start and all the evidence is on the table. I’m not worried.


52 posted on 08/19/2015 6:15:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Your sense of criminal justice is bass-ackwards. In a free country, it’s innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

The police took 170+ people into custody, set million dollar bonds on each, and have yet to show evidence that those they arrested committed a crime. The record may yet show that of the nine dead, all were killed by police.

As a matter of public trust and accountability, the government in taking such extraordinary actions as it has in this matter has a responsibility to show enough evidence that a reasonable person could believe that the people in custody - each of the 170+ - actually committed crimes. It does not work the other way around where you assume everyone arrested committed a crime until and unless exonerated.


64 posted on 08/19/2015 9:02:53 PM PDT by Nep Nep
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