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To: FredZarguna

A more interesting question would be what would have happened if they had a better leader and later actually had something militarily effective as a payload on the V2.

Basically, they would have won the war, except for the gross and continual strategic and tactical mistakes of their political leadership. IMO, the Allies were very lucky.


52 posted on 08/02/2015 8:45:51 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day".)
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To: The Antiyuppie
Hitler was an idiot.

If he would have listened to Donitz and followed through on Plan Z, Germany would have conquered all of western Europe in a matter of months.

Which means he also would have controlled all of North Africa.

THEN...he could have gone against Russia.

Before Hitler invaded Poland, neither the French or British leadership had the stomachs for confronting him. Neville Chamberlain was content with appeasement. Hitler should have continued to allow them to "appease" him. Also, the prevailing attitude in the States at the time, was to let Europe deal with Hitler. We really didn't want to get involved.

Waiting just a few more years would have given him a MUCH larger navy. Donitz would have had HUNDREDS of U-boats to cut Britain off at the knees. The Bizmarck and Tirpitz would have been dwarfed by the 6 other H-class battleships that were planned.

The ME262 would have been fully implemented and deployed. Germany invaded Poland in Sept. of '39. 10 months later was the Battle Of Britain.
Waiting 3 or 4 years would have brought full units of the 262 into readiness.
That plane scared the bejeezus out of the allies.

The V rockets would have also been better developed to have been more than simple terror weapons.

Hitlers army was better. He had the best tanks and artillery. Waiting would have given him more. He also would not have had the huge losses of attrition, which is what doomed him in North Africa and Russia.

Also, Japan would not have attacked the US when it did, meaning they would also have had a much larger navy.

Lastly, the question that really needs to be asked is, if all of Europe fell to Germany in a matter of months, without the losses due to attrition and Hitler consolidated his power there, Did he really NEED to invade the US?

Basically, the whole idea of Axis vs Allies would have been different. As there would have been no allies.

It wasn't until AFTER Pearl Harbor that the US manufacturing might really came into play.
Imagine trying to bring that up against a military that was more built up to begin with and that also wasn't dwindled down by attrition. Also, Germany would then have all its own needed resources in its consolidated conquests.

80 posted on 08/03/2015 12:18:52 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: The Antiyuppie

We won because of “Enigma”. Hard to lose a football game when you have a spy in their huddle before every play.


96 posted on 08/03/2015 4:17:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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