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To: DiogenesLamp

When people say the War wasn’t about slavery, they’re half right. The United States didn’t fight to end slavery. they were very clear that the they fought to maintain the Union. The South, on the other hand, fought solely to expand Slavery into the Territories, and maintain Slavery in the states that still had it.

Your comment stating that the Union fought the war to end freedom calls to mind what I call the Chinese Fortune Cookie rule. Just as no Fortune Cookie statement is complete without adding the words “in bed”, no statement (from apologists) on the causes of the Civil War is complete without adding the words “regarding slavery”. It works perfectly on your statement: The Union fought to end freedom REGARDING SLAVERY.

The root cause of the Secession of the Southern States was and has always been, the fact that they wanted to maintain the right to own and other people, and to extend that right to the Territories. You can call it FREEDOM, or State’s Rights, it’s still about the right to own other people against their will.


102 posted on 07/11/2015 1:46:58 PM PDT by Team Cuda
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To: Team Cuda
When people say the War wasn’t about slavery, they’re half right. The United States didn’t fight to end slavery. they were very clear that the they fought to maintain the Union. The South, on the other hand, fought solely to expand Slavery into the Territories, and maintain Slavery in the states that still had it.

Their reasons for leaving are irrelevant to their right to do so. Did they have the right to leave as espoused by the Declaration of Independence? Did they have that right?

The Union fought to end freedom REGARDING SLAVERY.

But they didn't. Had the South given up independence, the Union would have continued to allow slavery. So not only is your cutesy little quip wrong, it's a deliberate attempt to lie to people about what was really going on.

"Ending Slavery" got lumped into the goals of the war after two years of fighting. What were they fighting to do for those first two years before they came up with that bit of propaganda?

The root cause of the Secession of the Southern States was and has always been, the fact that they wanted to maintain the right to own and other people, and to extend that right to the Territories. You can call it FREEDOM, or State’s Rights, it’s still about the right to own other people against their will.

Which the Union continued to do as well, Remember there were five Union slave states throughout the war, and also remember that had the South been defeated prior to 1863, the Union was going to keep slavery going in the south.

How do you get up on your moral high horse when the facts contradict what you are claiming? Why are you pushing a lie that is demonstrably untrue to people with intellectual honesty?

The Union abolished slavery out of revenge, and because of a desperate need to justify all the bloodshed and destruction they caused by invading people who didn't want to remain part of their government.

Just stop with the slavery bullshit. Had they never tried to become independent of Washington D.C., they would have had slavery for decades longer. The Union kept it going throughout the war in Maryland, New Jersey, Missouri, Delaware and Kentucky.

All Slave states, and no slaves were freed in those Union slave states by Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation.

137 posted on 07/11/2015 5:35:55 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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