Posted on 07/11/2015 9:54:21 AM PDT by golux
They had every right to take their case to congress and negotiate a mutually agreeable settlement.
As the Founders did with Parliament.
That’s not true. The colonials tried for years to get a fair hearing in Parliament and were rebuffed at every turn. The Revolutionary war came about as a last resort, not a opening gambit like the southern insurrection.
So you are saying there was no resolution through the legislative process?
The Revolutionary war came about as a last resort, not a opening gambit like the southern insurrection.
As if that makes a difference to the fact that no solution would be forthcoming from the legislative body, likewise ignoring the issue of the Colonists acting in accordance with their rights.
The Colonists invoked a right from God and asserted it as law, and their subsequent Independent Union ought to have been expected to respect it when others invoke it too.
You are clearly advocating for the break up of the United States of America through the secession of one or several states.
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Who's talking about secession? I'm talking about the sane states getting together and tossing out the kook states. Sort of "Reverse Secession."
Yes, but generally for different reasons. Certain blacks were in favor of it because they liked the idea of creating a country were they were not treated as inferiors. Lincoln was in favor of it because he believed backs would never be treated as equals in the US and was in favor of keeping it that way.
That is beside the point. You just claimed that unilateral secession is illegal. But if it was ok for the colonies, it was ok for the CSA.
You have it backwards. The South never forgave him for denying them their independence. :-)
I know, right? But after all, its always the victors that write the history books.
Apples and oranges. The colonists were not under any illusions that what they were doing was illegal. It was rebellion and not secession. They knew it, and they were prepared to fight for their freedom. You people, on the other hand, have your head stuck in the sand. Walking out, without discussion, repudiating responsibility for national obligations the country entered into while you were a part, and with everything you could take is not legal. People like Madison said it was illegal. The idea that the Founding Fathers would have agreed to something like that is crazy.
The only thing the Confederates had in common with the colonists is that you both entered into rebellions. One major difference is the colonists won and the Confederates lost.
I would say that they thought they had a right. they obviously thought that the reason why they exercised that right was vitally important. If the people that actually seceded thought that the reason was important, who are you, 150 years later in your comfortable home to say the this reason was immaterial and tangential>
Jefferson was a white supremacist who wanted to ship all black to Santo Domingo. Are you willing to condemn him too? Or does your anger start and stop with Abraham Lincoln?
No
The Colonists invoked a right from God and asserted it as law, and their subsequent Independent Union ought to have been expected to respect it when others invoke it too.
Different circumstances with different rules.
The colonists didn’t hide behind any phony pretense of secession - they openly rebelled.
Uh-huh. Which is why Virginia and several other states, when ratifying the Constitution, specifically stated that they retained the right to leave the Union. The Southern states had more of a legal basis for their actions than did the colonists. The states created the federal government. They joined the Union voluntarily and can leave voluntarily. Do you really believe the Founders would be stupid enough to join a Union from which they could never leave if things went bad?
And the losers who write the myths...
Secession: the action of withdrawing formally from membership of a federation or body, especially a political state (Oxford Dictionary)
Fixed it for you. :-)
So which is it? Victors write the history or victors write the myths?
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