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1 posted on 05/14/2015 8:44:18 AM PDT by Josh Painter
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It’s impolite to post a thread and not participate in the discussion. You know this.


73 posted on 05/14/2015 2:30:38 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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I learned that a person born outside the US to citizen parent(s) was only a natural born citizen, if his parents were diplomat status.

When McCain ran, Congress passed a measure which had the effect, of deeming the private hospital that his parent’s status was like diplomatic status.

When Romney ran in 1968, he dropped out fairly early. But since he was born in Mexico, Congress ordered a legal opinion, which determined he was NOT eligible. His parents were US citizens, but not diplomats.

Just some things to kick around, amid the cheerleading.


76 posted on 05/14/2015 2:34:13 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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Then a few years ago, all the stuff from Emerich de Vattel was baloney?


96 posted on 05/14/2015 3:33:45 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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This discussion needs to conclude.


139 posted on 05/15/2015 1:56:55 PM PDT by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FR. Donate Monthly or Join Club 300! God bless you all.)
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It is crystal clear that the Founding Fathers used the Natural Law definition of 'natural born Citizen' when they wrote Article II. By invoking "The Laws of Nature and Nature's God" the 56 signers of the Declaration incorporated a legal standard of freedom into the forms of government that would follow.

President John Quincy Adams, writing in 1839, looked back at the founding period and recognized the true meaning of the Declaration's reliance on the "Laaws of Nature and of Nature's God." He observed that the American people's "charter was the Declaration of Independence. Their rights, the natural rights of mankind. Their government, such as should be instituted by the people, under the solemn mutual pledges of perpetual union, founded on the self-evident truth's proclaimed in the Declaration."

Note the reference to Natural Law in the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

171 posted on 05/16/2015 7:08:22 PM PDT by Godebert
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This thread is long since dormant, but I remembered it, did about five seconds of research, and noticed that you did not bother to include a following sentence in one of your quotes. You posted:

“The Naturalization Act of 1790 probably constitutes the most significant evidence available. Congress enacted this legislation just three years after the drafting of the Constitution, and many of those who voted on it had participated in the Constitutional Convention. The act provided that “children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens.”

For some reason you stopped there. There is a COLON, not a period after “citizens” and so it should have read “...shall be considered as natural-born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose father have never been resident in the United States.”

Did you deliberately leave out the last clause? It rules out Obama and Cruz.


240 posted on 06/08/2015 11:08:03 AM PDT by odawg
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