[rockrr]

The nation was founded on the principle that people have a right to self determination. Lincoln rejected that founding premise.

You sure are the obdurate one. You know better yet you persist in strawmen.

[DiogenesLamp]

You sure are the obdurate one. You know better yet you persist in strawmen.

Demonstrate that my argument is a "strawman". The founding document states explicitly that people have a right to create whatever form of government will best insure their happiness.

Lincoln disagreed with that principle, and moved the entire Federal Leviathan to fight against it.