Posted on 04/26/2015 9:28:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I found the article useful. I was introduced to Richard Spencer by Lawrence Auster, who was himself Jewish. Auster was uncompromising in refusing to deal with anti semites. I don’t believe he would have allowed Richard Spencer to interview him if Auster considered him one.
The site has articles on many topics, including conservative Catholic and Orthodox Christian revival.
First of all, thank you for answering me, and I apologize if I have misjudged you.
However, the fact remains that it is forbidden by the rules of Free Republic to link to anti-Jewish web sites. A web site that hosts anti-Jewish articles is in practice an anti-Jewish web site.
I knew nothing about Richard Spencer until I looked him up. Lawrence Auster converted to chrstianity, and a Jew who converts to chrstianity is not a good moderator of who is or isn't an anti-Semite.
From the article on him at Wikipedia (granted, a very biased source), I see the following quote:
"I have always called myself a racialist, which to me means two things. First, as a general proposition, I think that race matters in all kinds of ways. Second, I care about the white race. It is the source of and is inseparable from everything we are, everything we have, and everything our civilization has achieved."
He was clearly "religious" only in the most cultural/utilitarian way, since he openly states here that our values and our morality come from our race, and not from G-d A-mighty. In fact, the original article itself says this much, blaming "white guilt" on chrstianity and making race (a biological concept involving genes an chromosomes) and not an objective G-d Who exists outside everything else as the source and decisor of morals and values.
Even without the racial element, "civilizationism" itself is a heretical, non-Theistic philosophy that views all religions and all morals as the creations of various "civilizations." Naturally it implies that G-d Himself is (G-d forbid!) just one example.
All these "perennial tradition" organizations are anti-G-d and anti-Bible. "Orthodox" Catholic/Orthodox writings there mean very little. Do they ever post anything by pro-Israel Fundamentalist Protestants? I doubt it.
These people are bad news. In rejecting G-d and the Jewish People they choose the side of evil no differently than the leftist fanatics do.
This isn't my site, but I sincerely advise not posting anything from such sites here in the future. That is for others to decide, however.
Thank you again.
To directly address several other points you raised. I am not a Jew hater, and in fact am hoping to visit my Jewish friends in Israel again soon. I am certainly not sympathetic to any part of National Socialism, and much of my extended family was killed by Nazis (and them some by Russians) in WW2.
On the other hand I don’t find talking about race to be inherently wrong. To the contrary it’s a valuable tool and many things are easiest to understand by looking at it. You bring up Communism as a force in the black community, but I am sure none of the people burning down Baltimore can even spell Communism. Neither, for that matter, can their leaders. If yo go back far enough there probably was some Commie organizer somewhere in there, but I think it’s an over complex “conspiracy theory” for what is happening in inner cities like Detroit and Baltimore.
For better or worse mostly the dysfunctional black culture in those places was formed by blacks. The rest of America has had access to many of the same social welfare programs for their entire existence, mostly they have not built lifestyles around them.
Free Republic has always had people with different religious beliefs here. There have been some pretty heated debates between Catholics and Protestants, Protestants and other Protestants, Mormons and other Christians, etc. But the one thing I have never seen, even going way back, was any serious sustained anti-Jewish contingent.
I do not personally tend to get involved in any of these, nor do I routinely cite God in support of my political positions. That’s just how I was raised.
It appears that you view a lot of things from your religious perspective, and your name, tag line and comments reflect that. I think that’s a good perspective to have here, but I don’t think it is the only one permitted. There are a lot of Christian Zionists here who would agree that the world ends as a Jewish theocracy. But I’m sure quite a few who would disagree with that prediction too.
At root Zionism is based on the idea that the Jews have a right to a homeland, and the place for that homeland is Israel, for historic and religious reasons. I know that many of the original founders of Zionism were secular, which is an interesting twist. My mother would say “God works in mysterious ways”.
At root the issue that Richard Spencer is dealing with is “who is America a homeland for”. One side of this says “everyone in the world” and that one only has to believe in a very loosely defined credo to be an American.
Another tradition, supported by the Paleocons, is that America does have “owners”, that it’s the amalgamated European people who settled and built it, and that just as Jews have a right to maintain the uniquely Jewish nature of Israel, so too we have a right (and perhaps an obligation to our progeny) to assure the existence of America as a unique expression of and home for us.
I understand this topic is one that was closely debated in the last Israeli election. “Is Israel a Jewish nation?” “Do we need laws to make that explicit? “ The alternative - for instance mass immigration from Africa and granting of citizenship to all the Arab muslims in Gaza and the West Bank - is clearly and plainly unacceptable to most Israeli Jews.
We need to have the same ability to talk frankly among ourselves about our nation, not just as what we oppose, but also about what we affirm.
I was a good friend of Lawrence Auster, and while his religious beliefs changed several times throughout his life, he certainly was always also proud of his Jewish heritage. He was famous for confronting anti-semites in public forums.
You write: “Orthodox” Catholic/Orthodox writings there mean very little.” So apparently you support some branches of Christianity and reject others, including the older ones. You favor “pro-Israel Fundamentalist Protestants”. That’s certainly a valid position, but again I do think there are many religious conservative Catholics and Orthodox here as well.
Which is one reason that I prefer to keep my discussions about politics to politics. Too often discussion of religious beliefs spiral out of control, even here, into rehashing of age old differences in beliefs. Jesus was or was not the messiah? The mass includes trans-substantiation. Sola scriptura is a valid basis for formulating Christian beliefs. Etc.
The problem I see with your line of argument is that if all social systems are designed by God then there is no reason to object to any of them or prefer any of them.
I hope you can understand that your views of what is “heretical, non-Theistic philosophy” is probably not the same as a few thousand other Freepers.
Mostly this is a discussion forum, which implies at least trying to understand people with different positions from yours, as long as they are acting in good faith (not spamming, trolling.)
Thanks for the clarifications.
Christianity should always be capitalized.
We don’t need him, either. There’s a plane flying back to Africa every hour on the hour so be on one.
Actually, he does need us to foot his EBT card.
Christianity should always be capitalized.
You're right, SVT. And I'm an OT believer.
One can ask our fellow human beings in positions of leadership to quiet the increasing wrongfulness (one of the worst wrongs being neo-Haman-ism). I’ve asked many times and been wronged many times for doing so. There’s also neo-Ahab-ism, you know. Don’t want to leave anyone out.
Or one can join in the outcry that will make the difference.
Rule 308 is going to be invoked soon.
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Yes it will. Among others. Dusted off the FAL-O Congo today. I don’t expect trouble out here, but you never know.
Watch six and don’t wait to pull the plug. Be safe.
Yep. Too bad the world seems so chock full of socialists and pagan relativists.
Lawrence Auster knew that Spencer became an anti-semite, or at least allowed the mask to drop.
Thanks for your details on this (some provided by PM).
Auster's Obituary by Laura Wood "The Thinking Housewife"
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