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Posted on 04/24/2015 12:52:37 PM PDT by cleghornboy
That’s some fuzzy headed krap especially on the part of the Popester who was shooting off his mouth. He oughta stick with hiding pedophiles.
This article is a bunch of bunk.
Free Masons believe in the Supreme Being, who is known by the name “God”, creator of all things and he has given to us the Holy Bible as the rule and guide of our faith as his inestimable gift.
Man is not a supreme being, God is and it is to our creator we should, with reverence, contemplate our daily undertakings.
Further, no man can be made a Mason if he is an aetheist.
I’ve always viewed Free Masons as a bunch of harmless old men who get together to wear silly clothes and have silly ceremonies.
You’ve been to a lodge and seen our rituals?
LOL
This should probably have been posted in the religion forum.
No, but I have friends who are Free Masons who’ve told me a little about them. No details (I’m told that is forbidden to discuss with non-Masons), but I get the idea.
You post what is essentially Grand Kookburger Leo XIII's screed against America on Free Republic but don't bother to tell us what it is? Seriously?
For people interested in understanding what an absolute nutcase Leo XIII was, have a read:
Yes, that's right: the Church of Rome regards representative government [that does not answer to Rome] and the separation of church and state as wrong.
Or in the Kook Forum.
Furthermore, your immature jab against this truly great pope forces me to point out that sexual abuse is just as prevalent amongst Protestant Churches, per insurance statistics.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2007/06/18/80877.htm
Anyone who bashes Catholicism as somehow superstitious, but themselves subscribe to the semi-occult nonsense of Masonry (especially Oriental rite) can go boil their heads as far as I'm concerned.
Freemasons, sure, but what did the Communists have to do with it?
All of these have born bitter fruit in America and elsewhere -- how many Catholics vote for pro-abortion/pro-faggotry/pro-socialism candidates, because they think they can ignore Doctrine in favor of musings of their own minds? Why are there so few men and women choosing to becoming priests, monks, and nuns? The beliefs contained with Americanism have lead directly to modern liberalism.
So, without further ado, I join Pope Leo XIII in condemning the separation of Church and state -- a system that is NOT contained in the constitution, a system neither foreseen nor practiced by the Founding Fathers, a system that divorces God from the public life of a nation.
If you enjoy having a country that holds gay marriage as a constitutional right, that punishes Christians for refusing to violate their consciences by servicing gay weddings, that removes the Ten Commandments from public view, that considers the prayers of a wiccan devil-worshiper just as valid as those of a Christian, well, continue championing the things that Pope Leo XIII condemned. I sincerely hope that it wasn't his condemnation socialism that has angered you.
"Yes, that's right: the Church of Rome regards representative government [that does not answer to Rome] and the separation of church and state as wrong."
Rather than accuse you of lying, as you did to someone else, I will give the benefit of the doubt and presume that you are colossally ignorant.
Neither the Church nor Pope Leo condemns or condemned any form of government except communism/socialism. Pope Leo XIII himself stated in Au Mileu Des Sollicitudes,
"Various political governments have succeeded one another in France during the last century, each having its own distinctive form: the Empire, the Monarchy, and the Republic. By giving one's self up to abstractions, one could at length conclude which is the best of these forms, considered in themselves; and in all truth it may be affirmed that each of them is good, provided it lead straight to its end—that is to say, to the common good for which social authority is constituted."
He goes on,
21. But a difficulty presents itself. "This Republic," it is said, "is animated by such anti-Christian sentiments that honest men, Catholics particularly, could not conscientiously accept it." This, more than anything else, has given rise to dissensions, and in fact aggravated them.... These regrettable differences would have been avoided if the very considerable distinction between constituted power and legislation had been carefully kept in view. In so much does legislation differ from political power and its form, that under a system of government most excellent in form legislation could be detestable; while quite the opposite under a regime most imperfect in form, might be found excellent legislation. It were an easy task to prove this truth, history in hand, but what would be the use? All are convinced of it. And who, better than the Church, is in position to know it—she who has striven to maintain habitual relations with all political governments? Assuredly she, better than any other power, could tell the consolation or sorrow occasioned her by the laws of the various governments by which nations have been ruled from the Roman Empire down to the present. 22. If the distinction just established has its major importance, it is likewise manifestly reasonable: Legislation is the work of men invested with power, and who, in fact, govern the nation; therefore it follows that, practically, the quality of the laws depends more upon the quality of these men than upon the power. The laws will be good or bad accordingly as the minds of the legislators are imbued with good or bad principles, and as they allow themselves to be guided by political prudence or by passion. 23. That several years ago different important acts of legislation in France proceeded from a tendency hostile to religion, and therefore to the interests of the nation, is admitted by all, and unfortunately confirmed by the evidence of facts. We Ourselves, in obedience to a sacred duty, made earnest appeals to him who was then at the head of the republic, but these tendencies continued to exist; the evil grew, and it was not surprising that the members of the French Episcopate chosen by the Holy Ghost to rule over their respective illustrious churches should even quite recently have considered it an obligation publicly to express their grief concerning the condition of affairs in France in regard to the Catholic religion. Poor France! God alone can measure the abyss of evil into which she will sink if this legislation, instead of improving, will stubbornly continue in a course which must end in plucking from the minds and hearts of Frenchmen the religion which has made them so great. 24. And here is precisely the ground on which, political dissensions aside, upright men should unite as one to combat, by all lawful and honest means, these progressive abuses of legislation. The respect due to constituted power cannot prohibit this: unlimited respect and obedience cannot be yielded to all legislative measures, of no matter what kind, enacted by this same power. Let it not be forgotten that law is a precept ordained according to reason and promulgated for the good of the community by those who, for this end, have been entrusted with power. . . Accordingly, such points in legislation as are hostile to religion and to God should never be approved; to the contrary, it is a duty to disapprove them.
There is absolutely nothing ambiguous in “Supreme Being”, Supreme Architect of the Universe or God.
Masonry unites men of every sect but, you must believe in a Supreme Being and an afterlife.
In North America, we pray to God, who created us.
Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jehovah’s Witness, Mormons, etc.
Buddhists are out, as they believe in nothing and therefore, to them, there is no Supreme Being nor an afterlife relative to a Supreme Being or God.
As for Catholic Bashing, won’t get none from me.
We are sprung from the same well of Christ’s promise and Catholics were probably the original Christians and the word Catholic itself means “Universal” which is God’s promise to man and what separates Christianity from all other religions.
God tells us “There is none worthy, no, not one” and never amends that statement, even after we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior.
So, all men are created equal under God.
And without further ado, you admit yourself to Kook Castle.
Congratulations.
Leo's lunatic ravings make clear that what he objects to is not the Separation of Church and State, at all. Rather, he is an enemy of exactly what Thomas Jefferson and the other American framers believed: That the State has no right whatsoever to wield political power on behalf of any self-anointed "Church."
I agree. I live near a Masonic Lodge and some of their members have told me essentially the same thing. Some of the greatest figures in American history have been Freemasons, perhaps most prominently George Washington, and I don’t think he was kooky at all.
And you admit yourself to the camp that has brought us to the point where we are about to have homo marriage as a constitutional right, but no religious right to object to being forced to service gay weddings, no right to pray in schools, no right to display the Ten Commandments, crosses, or nativity scenes on public land, no right to preach the Bible at gay parades...Are you going to join the Freedom from Religion Foundation, or are you a card-carrying member already?
Leo XIII understood clearly where The Framers stood, and it is where every sensible person stands. The days when the Bishop of Rome could dictate his will to the sovereign in matters that belong to the polity is over, and rightly so. Governments don't derive their just powers from the phony "donations" of deathbed converts, nor by divine right. He knew that day had come and feared for his phony-baloney job.
Thus, he manufactured a "heresy." This was his stock and trade, but the market wasn't anywhere near what it used to be. The American Revolution established there would be no room for the kind of monopoly Popes were used to. [It's no accident that there was only one Romanist signer of The Declaration of Independence; only two signed the Constitution.]
If Francis wants to use his influence to change the culture or the opinions of the electorate, he has as much right and moral authority -- and not one iota more -- than anyone else with a soapbox to try. So far, his opinion on matters that were supposed to be "intrinsic moral evil" have been [at best] "mistranslated" and [at worst] well to the left of mine.
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