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To: Verginius Rufus

The mechanization of agriculture by 1900 would have been a death blow to slavery. The worst blow of all to the South after the war was the death of Lincoln. He likely could have controlled the radicals in Congress and favored sending free blacks back to Africa. He also said repeatedly that the South had only to meet minimum requirements to return to the union. Having said all of that, slavery was the most catastrophic mistake this country ever made and will likely destroy us in the end. Bringing Africans to these shores was a horrible mistake in hindsight. Likely a fatal mistake.


84 posted on 04/23/2015 5:44:21 AM PDT by armydawg505
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To: armydawg505
Undoubtedly Lincoln would have handled the politics of Reconstruction better than Andrew Johnson because he was a much better politician and had much more personal prestige after having led the Union to victory, but he was having a hard time with the Radicals already. Initially some of the Radical Republicans were relieved at Lincoln's death because they thought Johnson was more of their way of thinking.

The problems facing the South were immense. Short of massive land confiscation, or the federal government buying up large amounts of land to redistribute to the freedmen, there was no way to set up all the former slaves with their own farms (their preference).

It was a principle of common law that ordinary citizens can't be punished for obeying the government actually in power (that dates back to the Wars of the Roses), so it would have been hard to justify seizing property from ordinary Southerners, not to mention the tremendous opposition and hatred that would have generated--a sure formula for guaranteeing that the Union never got back to normal.

Behind it all was racism, an unrecognized problem--both Northerners and Southerners had grown up with racial attitudes which precluded seeing blacks as equal to whites, and for the federal government to go to great lengths for the former slaves would be a losing political program for the Republicans in the North. In the period just after the war, several Northern states rejected giving black men the vote.

The Southern whites accepted the fact they had lost the war and that slavery was over, but as someone put it at the time, they felt that the black race as a whole belonged to the white race as a whole (instead of individual black people belonging to individual whites), and they wanted the free blacks to continue to work for the whites. That, in part, was what the Black Codes were all about.

Colonization in Africa was totally impractical. Very few black Americans wanted to leave. Lincoln experimented with colonization during the war (on an island off Haiti) and it was a disaster.

86 posted on 04/23/2015 6:31:24 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: armydawg505
Undoubtedly Lincoln would have handled the politics of Reconstruction better than Andrew Johnson because he was a much better politician and had much more personal prestige after having led the Union to victory, but he was having a hard time with the Radicals already. Initially some of the Radical Republicans were relieved at Lincoln's death because they thought Johnson was more of their way of thinking.

The problems facing the South were immense. Short of massive land confiscation, or the federal government buying up large amounts of land to redistribute to the freedmen, there was no way to set up all the former slaves with their own farms (their preference).

It was a principle of common law that ordinary citizens can't be punished for obeying the government actually in power (that dates back to the Wars of the Roses), so it would have been hard to justify seizing property from ordinary Southerners, not to mention the tremendous opposition and hatred that would have generated--a sure formula for guaranteeing that the Union never got back to normal.

Behind it all was racism, an unrecognized problem--both Northerners and Southerners had grown up with racial attitudes which precluded seeing blacks as equal to whites, and for the federal government to go to great lengths for the former slaves would be a losing political program for the Republicans in the North. In the period just after the war, several Northern states rejected giving black men the vote.

The Southern whites accepted the fact they had lost the war and that slavery was over, but as someone put it at the time, they felt that the black race as a whole belonged to the white race as a whole (instead of individual black people belonging to individual whites), and they wanted the free blacks to continue to work for the whites. That, in part, was what the Black Codes were all about.

Colonization in Africa was totally impractical. Very few black Americans wanted to leave. Lincoln experimented with colonization during the war (on an island off Haiti) and it was a disaster.

87 posted on 04/23/2015 6:31:24 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: armydawg505
The mechanization of agriculture by 1900 would have been a death blow to slavery.

Cotton farming wasn't mechanized until the 1940s.

88 posted on 04/23/2015 10:54:19 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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