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ATF Moves to Ban M855 And SS109 5.56 Ammunition
Truthaboutguns ^ | February 14, 2015 | Nick Leghorn

Posted on 02/14/2015 6:22:51 PM PST by Red Steel

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1 posted on 02/14/2015 6:22:51 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Hardens Hollow; null and void; laplata; Gluteus Maximus; Salvavida; Foundahardheadedwoman; ...

CWII Spark Ping — Ever more overreach.


2 posted on 02/14/2015 6:34:09 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Red Steel

I’m actually surprised they let us have them so far.


3 posted on 02/14/2015 6:47:44 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Red Steel

We like to Reload


4 posted on 02/14/2015 6:50:53 PM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Red Steel

Green tip M855 around $400 per 1000 right now.


5 posted on 02/14/2015 6:53:56 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: molson209

Just ordered 1k c77 projectiles.


6 posted on 02/14/2015 6:55:19 PM PST by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: Red Steel

One of the FIRST things Obama did after taking office was initiate construction of an IMMENSE Bat Cave under the White House.

THEN the ammo buy-up...

WHAT is he planning for...????

IT IS NOT GOOD.


7 posted on 02/14/2015 6:57:08 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Red Steel
Nevermind that standard lead-only 5.56 ammunition is “armor piercing” all on its own simply due to its velocity. The ATF believes that this specific ammo is somehow more dangerous.


Obama needs a faux excuse to ban.

About all centerfire rifle cartridges are "armor piercing" BUT the M855 is not made to be an AP rifle round. Here's the federal law.

"Armor-piercing ammunition, sometimes referred to as metal-piercing ammunition, is ammunition that is designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor, including body armor commonly worn by police officers. Under federal law, armor-piercing ammunition is defined as any projectile or projectile core that may be used in a handgun and that is constructed entirely from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.15 In addition, armor-piercing ammunition is defined as a full jacketed projectile “larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.” Id. The Attorney General is required to furnish information to each licensed dealer defining which projectiles are considered armor-piercing ammunition as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(17)(B).16

The federal definition of armor-piercing ammunition, which is based on its content and weight, rather than on the ammunition’s actual performance against body armor, has been criticized because it fails to halt the manufacture and sale of all types of ammunition that can penetrate body armor.

The existing ban on armor-piercing ammunition can be made more effective by adopting performance standards that require ammunition to be tested for its ability to penetrate bullet-resistant vests and body armor, as opposed to the existing standard based on the bullet’s content."



The BATF is not being truthful as the M855 is categorized as a ball cartridge made up of mostly lead.

8 posted on 02/14/2015 6:58:16 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I’ve never even heard of a 5.56 handgun. Sounds like something made up by the government specifically for this purpose.


9 posted on 02/14/2015 6:59:17 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Benghazi Clinton killed 4 & injured a dozen as SOS, imagine what she could do as CinC.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

It’s really an AR that has a short barrel (rifle) that does not have a stock. And according to the way the law is written, it gets to be categorized as a “handgun” or pistol without the stock.


10 posted on 02/14/2015 7:05:34 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Google “7 1/2 inch Patrolman’s pistol.” Its an AR15 pistol.


11 posted on 02/14/2015 7:09:24 PM PST by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

There are AR-15 pistols. Really, it boils down to a lack of a stock, having a pistol grip and a short barrel. It is all about cosmetics. Personally, I have little interest in a 5.56mm pistol. That is due to its short barrel. A pistol to me is simply a last resort prior to hand-to-hand combat. My choice in that case would be a M1911 due to it’s knock down power.


12 posted on 02/14/2015 7:16:38 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (#JuSuisCharlesMartel)
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There are also AK 74 ‘pistol’.
Which at least don’t have the stupid looking buffer tube sticking out the back...
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/arsenal/slr106-58-slr-223-pistol-20r/

And don’t forget you can get Thompson Encore/contender types in .223

Not that I’d want any of them.


13 posted on 02/14/2015 7:25:56 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Red Steel

What about those head shot bullets? They better ban those too.


14 posted on 02/14/2015 7:26:11 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Red Steel

but you do know it’s not the ATF , it’s Obama’s White House ,they say JUMP and all agencies say , How high


15 posted on 02/14/2015 7:34:45 PM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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To: LegendHasIt

I would not be interested in that either, but at least it has a better round than a 5.56. It is all a matter of purpose, e.g, I wouldn’t use a M4 as a sniper weapon, although it is not a poor choice for combat within 100m. On the other hand an AK-47 is probably better. It depends on whether you want to kill or wound.


16 posted on 02/14/2015 7:37:28 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (#JuSuisCharlesMartel)
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To: molson209
The Obama high jumper.
17 posted on 02/14/2015 7:44:18 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: ConservativeInPA
Actually the one I mentioned IS 5.56

You can get them in 7.62X39 too,
but the AK 74 variants shoot the .223 / 5.56mm

At first glance it is easy to confuse AK74 with AK47

18 posted on 02/14/2015 7:49:46 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Red Steel

This is so bogus it will never hold up in court. Talk about contorted BS.

Expect Capt Chaos to come out with this kind of stuff on a weekly basis for 18 more months. He wants to wreak havoc on the country. Even if its only for a little while.


19 posted on 02/14/2015 7:52:19 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: LegendHasIt

Excuse my ignorance. It is not something that I keep up with - only so many hours in a day. I tend to make or purchase and shoot firearms (close facsimiles - M4gery, AR-15, M9, M1991) used by or previously used by the US Military and local law enforcement. In the case of local law enforcement I have a .40 S&W. The intent is when the SHTF there is ammo to pick up if I am ever separated from my reloading supplies.


20 posted on 02/14/2015 8:05:12 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (#JuSuisCharlesMartel)
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