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Why did Obama Compare Crusades to Islamic State at Prayer Breakfast?
Christian Science Monitor ^ | February 5, 2015 | Peter Grier

Posted on 02/06/2015 6:31:33 AM PST by lbryce

It’s possible that President Obama knew his remarks at the prayer breakfast would blow some of his opponents' stacks; it’s possible he’s surprised by the controversy. But controversy there is, manufactured or genuine.

At the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday, President Obama made a reference to Christianity that infuriated some conservatives.

Speaking in general, Mr. Obama began by condemning zealots who hijack religion “for their own murderous ends.” He cited the recent massacre at a Pakistani school carried out by the Taliban, the assault on Charlie Hebdo headquarters in Paris perpetrated by radical Islamists, and the terrible murders carried out by the self-proclaimed Islamic State (IS or ISIS).

He widened his lens a bit, talking about the killings of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria and religious war in the Central African Republic.

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TOPICS: Government; History
KEYWORDS: crusades; historyofcrusades; instigator; joshuadubois; natlprayerbreakfast; obama; obamaantichristian; obamacrusades; obamaspeech; prayerbreakfast
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To: javie
Pope ordered the killing of Christians during the crusades:

Ha, and yet today you aren't afraid that the mighty, all powerful and terrifying Catholic Church will send it's death squads after you to cage and burn you and your family to death for your defiant insolence?

21 posted on 02/06/2015 6:50:23 AM PST by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: javie

American Minute for June 15th:

From http://americanminute.com/

Jerusalem had been a Jewish city since time of King David around 1000 BC, and it had been a Christian city since Emperor Constantine, 313 AD.

Muslims under Caliph Umar took Jerusalem away from the Byzantine Patriarch Sophronius and forced Christian and Jewish inhabitants to live as second-class citizens under a set of “Jim Crow” style laws called “dhimmi.”

Christian pilgrims began to be harassed, massacred and crucified. In the 700’s, Christians were banned from giving religious instruction to their children and displays of the cross were banned in Jerusalem.

In 772 AD, Caliph al Mansur ordered Jews and Christians to be branded on the hand.

In 923 AD, Muslims began destroying churches in Jerusalem. On Palm Sunday in 937 AD, Muslims plundered the Church of Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection.

In 1004, Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah began a ten year persecution where thousands were forced to convert or die and 30,000 churches were destroyed.

In 1009, Caliph al-Hakim destroyed the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem.

In 1075, the Muslim Seljuk Turks captured Jerusalem from Arab Muslims. Gregory Bar-Hebraeus (1226-1286), a Syrian Orthodox Church leader, wrote how Seljuk Turkish Muslims initially tolerated Christians tolerably, then:

“...having seen very much modesty and other habits of this kind among Christian people, certainly the Mongols loved them greatly at the beginning of their kingdom, a time ago somewhat short. But their love hath turned to such intense hatred.”

Travelers returning from pilgrimages to the Holy Land shared reports of Muslim persecution of “dhimmi” Christians.

Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Egypt, which had all been Christian lands, were conquered by Muslims, who then conquered Sicily.

In 1057, the Norman adventurer Robert Guiscard took control of Calabria in the “toe of Italy” and fought against the Muslims of Sicily.

Italian city-states of Pisa, Genoa and Catalonia fought the Muslims who were raiding Italy’s coasts, Majorca, Sardinia, and Catalonia.

In 1071, the Muslims inflicted a major defeat on the Byzantine Christians at the Battle of Manzikert and took control of all but the coastlands of Asia Minor.

Cries for help were carried back to Europe. Europe sent help, it was called the Crusades.

There were nine major Crusades and numerous minor ones, from 1095 till 1291, when Acre was finally captured by the Muslims.

The First Crusade began when, in desperation, the proud Byzantine Emperor Alexius I Comnenus humbled himself and sent ambassadors to the Council of Piacenza in March of 1095, appealing for aid from his religious rival, the Roman Catholic Pope.

The seriousness of this call for help is underscored by the fact that it occurred just a few years after the Great East-West Schism where the Byzantine Church and the Roman Catholic Church split.

Pope Urban II gave an impassioned plea at the Council of Clermont in 1095 for Western leaders to set aside their doctrinal differences and come to the aid of their Byzantine Christians brethren.

Pope Urban II described how Muslims “compel to extend their necks and then, attacking them with naked swords, attempt to cut through the neck with a single blow.” (Robert the Monk, Medieval Sourcebook, Fordham University.)

With Spain exuberant after successfully driving the Muslims from Toledo and Leon a few years earlier, the First Crusade began in 1097, led by Godfrey of Bouillon. It freed Iconium from the Muslims, though it was later lost.

The First Crusade defeated Turkish forces at Dorylaeum and Antioch, and captured Jerusalem in 1099, holding it for nearly 100 years.

After Muslims conquered Edessa, another crusade was called for by Bernard of Clairvaux in 1147. It was made up of French and German armies, led by King Louis VII and Conrad II.

In 1148, Muslim leader, Nur ed-Din, slaughtered every Christian in Aleppo.

The Second Crusade failed to take Damascus and returned to Europe in 1150. Bernard of Clairvaux was disturbed by reports of misdirected violence toward some Jewish populations.

On July 4, 1187, Saladin captured Crusaders at Hattim and ordered their mass execution.

In 1190, Pope Gregory VIII called for a Third Crusade. It was led by German King Frederick I, called Frederick Barbarossa (meaning Redbeard), who was the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. He was joined by Richard I of England and Philip II of France.

Frederick led 100,000 soldiers across Byzantium, driving out Muslims and temporarily freeing Iconium.

He most likely would have freed Jerusalem had he not fallen off his horse while crossing the Göksu River in Cilicia, Asia Minor.

Being 67 years old and weighted down with heavy armor, he drowned in waist deep water and the Crusade went into confusion.

Richard the Lionheart was suddenly in charge leading the Crusade and successfully captured Acre. Due to rivalries, Philip II, without warning, abandoned the Crusade and returned to France in 1191.

Richard’s troops came within sight of Jerusalem in 1192, but grew weary as it did not look like they were making an impact.

Then word came to Richard that Phillip II was trying to take away Normandy from England, so Richard quickly ended the Crusade to go back and defend his kingdom.

Richard later discovered Saladin was on the verge of defeat and was propping up dead soldiers along the walls.

Saladin allowed some Christians to leave Jerusalem if they paid a ransom, but according to Imad al-Din, approximately 15,000 could not pay their ransom and were enslaved.

Richard sailed away, but was shipwrecked and had to travel on foot across Europe in disguise.

He was recognized near Vienna and captured by Duke Leopold V of Austria. The Holy Roman Emperor, Henry VI, imprisoned Richard at Dumstein for three years.

Legend has it that Richard’s loyal minstrel, Blondel, traveled from kingdom to kingdom across Europe trying to find him by singing Richard’s favorite song. When Richard heard the song, he sang the second verse from the prison tower, and was found.

Richard’s brother, King John, had to raise taxes for the “king’s ransom.”

This was the origins of the story of Nottingham, Sherwood Forest and Robin Hood.

The Holy Roman Emperor, Henry VI, prepared for another crusade in 1197, but died from malaria.

Once back in England, Richard ruled only a few years before being shot with an arrow during the siege of a castle in Normandy.


22 posted on 02/06/2015 6:51:00 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: lbryce
America just needs to get off its "High Horse" !


23 posted on 02/06/2015 6:51:24 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: stars & stripes forever

Why didn’t the pastors get up and walk out?

Other than Rev Graham, is there any other pushback to 0bola’s false comparison? Where is the outrage from Christian leaders? Which members of Congress are speaking out about this?


24 posted on 02/06/2015 6:53:49 AM PST by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yes. And he will believes and will say anything to support the spread of Islam throughout the world. He will NEVER condemn Muslims or Islam. He is one of them, and sees the rest of us as being expendable.


25 posted on 02/06/2015 6:54:54 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: Mouton
:-)

I did make it a bit too long by using the phrase "by dint of" one time more than I would have liked to. Otherwise, if it fits, by all means, take it.

26 posted on 02/06/2015 6:56:08 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:Misbegotten, Godforsaken Offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The answer is simple.

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Well yes and no. Your explanation was perhaps the main reason, but his lame attempt at moral equivalency was also designed to criticize Christianity, whites and America. So he was playing the blame game once again, only in a multi-level way. But it was really a clumsy, shotgun approach that backfire on him.

The POS loves to play the blame game because it serves as a distraction from his own motivations and failures.


27 posted on 02/06/2015 6:56:23 AM PST by Starboard
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To: lbryce

People overthink way to much. Simply put, He desires to forment hate and uprising so he can complete his masters plan....period...


28 posted on 02/06/2015 6:56:34 AM PST by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary & remove the son of a kenyan mooslimb)
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To: lbryce

The Crusades were a desponse to Muslim aggression...Obama is blaming the rape victim for fighting back!


29 posted on 02/06/2015 6:56:40 AM PST by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: stars & stripes forever

0bola forgot to study that era and section of history. The MSM seem to have, as well....or are just giving him another pass.


30 posted on 02/06/2015 6:57:22 AM PST by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: Jane Long

Good points. Good post.


31 posted on 02/06/2015 6:57:40 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Jane Long

The church has lost its savor. Just a few grains have any taste.


32 posted on 02/06/2015 6:57:47 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Starboard
But it was really a clumsy, shotgun approach that backfire on him.

You are missing something: There is no such thing as 'backfiring' for the shameless. Obama will smile at the rage he caused, and double down.

I would not AT ALL be surprised if he called for Crucifixions for known and discovered Christians.

Obama is in the service of Satan.

33 posted on 02/06/2015 6:59:07 AM PST by Lazamataz (With friends like Boehner, we don't need Democrats. -- Laz A. Mataz, 2015)
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To: lbryce

Muslim president is muslim.


34 posted on 02/06/2015 6:59:40 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Texas Eagle

You, sir, have posted brilliantly.

Thank you for making this forum a better place.


35 posted on 02/06/2015 7:00:45 AM PST by Lazamataz (With friends like Boehner, we don't need Democrats. -- Laz A. Mataz, 2015)
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To: lbryce

Listening to the radio this morning it was said that total killings by government was almost 300 million people. I think 0 is envious.


36 posted on 02/06/2015 7:02:50 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: chris37

Yes! He IS a muslim, he is ANTI-Christian, and a communist. So obvious to anyone except a liberal!


37 posted on 02/06/2015 7:03:23 AM PST by LYDIAONTARIO
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To: lbryce

Its funny, years ago my daughter asked me about comparing this to the Crusades. She was a junior in high school. I asked her what she thought caused the Crusades. She really had no idea, but she knew it was bad.

After about ten minutes of me explaining it to her, she rolled her eyes and asked for the car keys.

My high school daughter was the standard Obama uses for American Citizen intelligence and reasoning.


38 posted on 02/06/2015 7:04:40 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: LYDIAONTARIO

Sadly it doesn’t seem obvious to some conservatives either.

Either that, or they are scared to say it, or they are purposely ignoring the obvious.

It is very clear that this man is an outsider and is not one of us.


39 posted on 02/06/2015 7:06:01 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: javie

And by this, are you suggesting that the Pope would order the execution of thousands of Germans today?

I am no papist, but come on.

I think there needs to be a statute of limitations on some horrible crimes. Just as its time for me to stop being harassed every February about my white guilt.


40 posted on 02/06/2015 7:06:43 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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