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To: MamaTexan
This is starting to have a more familiar feel, but I was pretty sure I had read something about St George Tucker's notes on Blackstone, and how Blackstone himself even acknowledges something different than the usual take.

I remember at the time that it moved St George Tucker from being sort of "neutral" on the topic, to firmly over into the Jus Sanguinus camp.

I'm not sure it's worth looking for though, the only person here who needs evidence won't believe any when he sees it. I certainly don't feel like putting much effort into arguing with an idiot, and I expect you don't either.

Do you remember Jeff Winston? I remember that clown making a HUGE DEAL out of the fact that James A. Bayard, Jr. wrote a book which he claimed supported his stupid Jus Soli argument. He swore up and down that this was a GREAT EXPERT and was the LAST WORD on the subject.

I pointed out that Bayard's words were not nearly so supportive of Jeff's position as Jeff seemed to believe and he kept on and on an on about Bayard until I finally shut him up.

Turns out he was an idiot, just like I told him.

Remember that? Well we've got another wannabe Jeff, but not so intelligent or resourceful.

279 posted on 02/03/2015 12:25:19 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp
and how Blackstone himself even acknowledges something different than the usual take.

Blackstone himself did. despite the 'born in England' canard, what Blackstone said was natural born meant they were born in the Allegiance of the King.

OF THE PEOPLE, WHETHER ALIENS, DENIZENS, OR NATIVES
The first and most obvious division of the people is into aliens and natural-born subjects.1 Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England; that is, within the ligeance, or, as it is generally called, the allegiance, of the king; and aliens, such as are born out of it.

One can be born within the 'dominion of the crown' but still not be within the Allegiance of the King. That's like saying every child born there of a visitor was automatically a subject of the crown whether they wanted to be or not.

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Yes, this conversation has made me think of Jeff Winston. I actually had BAYARD, BAYARD, BAYARD running though my head as I was typing earlier. LOL!

286 posted on 02/03/2015 1:36:35 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I remember at the time that it moved St George Tucker from being sort of "neutral" on the topic, to firmly over into the Jus Sanguinus camp.

Dream on. As I've shown you, Tucker set forth Blackstone's statement:

"The children of aliens, born here in England, are generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such."
Then Tucker notes how U.S. laws are "accordant" (i.e., in agreement with Blackstone). Tucker quite clearly recognizes our law as jus soli. Though no doubt the cognitive dissonance keeps you from digesting this.
294 posted on 02/03/2015 7:12:52 PM PST by CpnHook
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