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Soaring Overdose Deaths, and the Failed ‘War on Drugs’
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/12293.19.0.0/society/soaring-overdose-deaths-and-the-failed-war-on-drugs ^ | 12-18-2014

Posted on 12/18/2014 12:53:01 PM PST by Thistooshallpass9

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To: Responsibility2nd
So your idea of dealing with criminals is to make that criminal action legal.

My idea of dealing with criminals is to take profits out of their pockets - perhaps you prefer that they remain well funded.

41 posted on 12/18/2014 1:34:29 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
It's a reality for the left. Mao Tse Tung executed anyone caught with drugs when he came to power. He didn't want that crap destabilizing the country in the manner that had previously brought him into power.

Singapore routinely executes anyone caught with drugs, and this policy has worked out pretty well for them.

You can continue your love affair with the far left - I prefer the system of limited government established by our Founding Fathers.

We did not take profits away from criminals, we made them respectable.

Some were driven out of the alcohol market and some went legit - sounds like a win either way.

42 posted on 12/18/2014 1:36:52 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: riri
It's the heroin coming in by the ton. Cheap, pure and readily available. It's turning Norman Rockwell small NE towns into crime and death wards hitting all ages, demographics, etc.The Pacific Northwest has always had a problem and it's only intensifying. It's hitting all four corners of the country.

Spreads like a disease doesn't it? Just slower. It is a very slow spreading disease.

43 posted on 12/18/2014 1:37:41 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Thistooshallpass9

Wonder what percent is suicide?


44 posted on 12/18/2014 1:37:45 PM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Glad you asked - according to the FBI, two-thirds of murder cases get solved.

But we are still having murders. Is that a failure or a success? By the standards the dopers want to use, the war on murder is a total and complete failure, and we should just stop fighting against murder because people are going to do it anyway.

45 posted on 12/18/2014 1:39:27 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Darksheare

Is it the fact that I checked the excerpt button that is violating something? I wish to abide by all guidelines, and I’m here mostly to share articles with this community, and to hear feedback about them from this mostly conservative crowd.... In the future, I can just post the best 300 words, and say it’s not an excerpt, if that is what you are suggesting. Would that be more gentlemanly?


46 posted on 12/18/2014 1:40:52 PM PST by Thistooshallpass9
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To: DiogenesLamp

Rum runners!


47 posted on 12/18/2014 1:42:09 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Glad you asked - according to the FBI, two-thirds of murder cases get solved. What percentage of drug 'crimes' do you reckon even get detected ... 2 in 3000 maybe? [underlined text omitted by DiogenesLamp]

But we are still having murders. Is that a failure or a success?

It's orders of magnitude closer to success than drug criminalization - and laws against murder don't put billions of dollars in profits in criminal hands.

48 posted on 12/18/2014 1:42:57 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
We did not take profits away from criminals, we made them respectable.

Some were driven out of the alcohol market and some went legit - sounds like a win either way.

 

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The ones who were driven out? The mobsters? They're still here and worse than ever.

Mexican Cartels. Running a trillion dollar industry.

So how is this a "win" in your book?

49 posted on 12/18/2014 1:43:29 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Thistooshallpass9
FR does not exist to give blogs hits.

"So, long story short, we created a special forum for blog posts. This was in lieu of simply deleting all blog posts. The theory was that as long as they were posted in the bloggers forum, those who didn’t wish to read them could simply click on the “news” forum and they wouldn’t see them. But, of course, as some blogs are definitely better than most others and some are much better than your typical mainstream news sources, we soon allowed certain blogs to be posted regularly to the news section.

This all worked more or less to a certain degree without too much friction until the non-commenting, short-excerpting, long-complaining blog pimp was born.

I have no complaint if a good conservative blogger posts his own material to FR, not as an excerpt to drive hits and discussion back to his blog, but rather to impart useful information to OUR readers and to promote and join in on the discussion and conservative activism HERE on FR.

If a blogger can’t or refuses do that, and if he constantly complains or fights with our participants over it, then I’d just as soon he doesn’t post here. It’s not my job to make his content or his presentation or cooperation acceptable to our readers. That’s his job. And if he cannot do it or refuses to do it and continues posting brief excerpts only and obviously attempting to draw away our participants while loudly complaining about it, then I have no sympathy for his complaints and the more apt I am to ban his account and blog."

50 posted on 12/18/2014 1:43:40 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Thistooshallpass9
I’m here mostly to share articles with this community

Posting the full content would accomplish that nicely.

Unless, of course, your goal is to drive traffic to your blog.

51 posted on 12/18/2014 1:43:42 PM PST by humblegunner (Why hello, Captain Trips.)
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To: Thistooshallpass9

Post the entire article.


52 posted on 12/18/2014 1:44:00 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The ones who were driven out? The mobsters? They're still here

But not making big mooney in the alcohol market - that's a win in any sane person's book.

53 posted on 12/18/2014 1:45:02 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Thistooshallpass9

54 posted on 12/18/2014 1:45:14 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: WayneS
Thank you for making my argument for me. The article is about the INCREASE in drug deaths during the "War on Drugs".

I am not making your case. I'm pointing out your argument is based on a flawed assumption; That success must be defined by the elimination or constant reduction of the crime.

That is a nonsensical and unrealistic claim, and it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the nature of crime, or even the nature of humans.

We *ALWAYS* have a section of the populace which will insist on committing crimes. The numbers go up, the numbers go down, but the percentages stay roughly the same.

Setting as a goal the elimination or constant reduction of crime is just unrealistic, but what is by far worse is arguing that a momentary bump in statistics proves a very successful methodology has failed.

Again, Murder goes up and murder goes down, but it will never go away all together. Your argument is tantamount to legalizing murder because the rate goes up occasionally.

Nonsense.

55 posted on 12/18/2014 1:48:12 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Thistooshallpass9

300 words?

Oh, you ill-councilled, you poorly advised...

Count the words.. you can post many hundreds of words
of your own making, as goofy as you like and without
trying to score some gelt from Free Republic...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3236857/posts


56 posted on 12/18/2014 1:48:32 PM PST by humblegunner (Why hello, Captain Trips.)
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To: Thistooshallpass9

OK, go for it then.


57 posted on 12/18/2014 1:49:09 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: ConservingFreedom
My idea of dealing with criminals is to take profits out of their pockets - perhaps you prefer that they remain well funded.

My idea of dealing with drug dealers is to take the life out of their bodies. That's what they do to others, so it just seems fair to me.

Singapore has the right idea.

58 posted on 12/18/2014 1:51:00 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Would you prefer the drug cartels be given license to operate freely in the USA? To distribute thei product, to pay taxes, and be considered another well respected American corporation?

I can it now - Sinaloa Brothers sponsoring sporting events and the Knights Templar advertising on TV.


59 posted on 12/18/2014 1:51:16 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

bump


60 posted on 12/18/2014 1:51:56 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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