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To: Natufian

“and the unquestioned FACT of why Ayers deemed it necessary to include a passage that did not reflect well on Obama’s parents’ marital status”

‘That’s not a FACT. A fact is something that is known or proven to be true. You’re just making an assertion. However much the logic leads you to that conclusion in your own head, someone else could interpret that information differently. For example, it is possible that you are wrong.’

How am I wrong? Do you believe that it politically helped Obama to describe his mother’s marriage this way...when she was still alive...when she was dying...when a normal son would not wish to add to her suffering?

You don’t make a case for any of your objections. You say, ‘You could be wrong’, but never suggest how. I.e.: how would it help Obama politically to be gratuitously cruel to his mother? Or how can you argue that describing her ‘marriage’ as requiring more courage than her own son possesses even to even learn the details? [I.e.” not the details that it involved no cake, guests or photographs; Obama already knew that. He is saying, in so many words, that there is something so icky about his own mother’s wedding that he, possessed of normal courage, cannot stomach the details. (I.e.: possessed of normal courage because no narcissist would ever describe himself, or allow himself to be described, as abnormally cowardly.)]

How about for once abandoning your uselessly broad generalities and telling me exactly how my reasoning is wrong. Was Ayers trying to torpedo his protégé’s political career? If so, why? Or if not, then what is so appealing about a son verbally slapping his sick/dying mother around? How was that nastiness, if it was in no way necessary to cover a possible revelation re: Obama’s sketchy history, supposed to help him get elected?

In ‘95, when Dreams was published, it was impossible to know the degree to which the press would close ranks around Obama, acting as his Palace Guard. Both Ayers and Obama had to assume he might get a question re: some of the info in Dreams. If Ayers just threw that ugly reference to Stanley Ann’s wedding in for cruel fun, it could have hurt Obama big time, had he been asked about it. Obama is not MENSA, but Ayers is not a moron. He would not have jeopardized his young black radical future-candidate just to take a vicious swipe at a dying woman.


159 posted on 11/17/2014 12:44:58 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter; All

An observation about this part of your post:

“... I came upon a discussion on FR,concerning birth certificates. One group claimed that computer generated short form certificates of Live Birth had totally supplanted LF, raised seal BCs. The other group said some state agencies still required LF BCs. .....”

Certified copies of long form birth certificates with raised seals are required by federal agencies doing background checks for people’s security clearances.

The agency doesn’t accept the short ones; they need to have the one with the parents names and places of birth.

They want to know if the parents were born outside the u.s. and if they would have been citizens or not.

The sad part of all this is, 0 would not be able to pass the background check with the bogus document he showed on the white house web site.

And this is the guy that has access to the nuclear launch codes.... and (above) top secret info.


160 posted on 11/20/2014 4:50:47 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2001)
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To: Fantasywriter; All

And adding on to my previous post:

If the parents weren’t born in the u.s., then the person being checked for the clearance -must- provide proof of either the parents naturalization or legal residency.


161 posted on 11/20/2014 4:57:58 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2001)
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