Posted on 10/08/2014 7:18:38 AM PDT by walford
[Note that the author is a bigot, but intelligent and articulate. My response below.]
Why Not Just Identify Yourself and Avoid Possible Death?
Lisa Mahone and her boyfriend Jamal Jones were driving on Sept. 24 in Hammond, Indiana, with Mahone’s two kids in the back seat when Mahone was stopped and ticketed for driving without wearing a seat belt. The stop was caught on cellphone camera by Mahone’s 14-year-old son.
“Thank goodness Joseph took the video, because the video stands for itself that these officers engaged in excessive force,” attorney Dana Kurtz said in a news conference with the couple Tuesday. In the video, officers ask Jones, who was in the passenger seat, to show his ID. However, he did not have his license on him. Officers then appear to draw guns and order him out of the car, prompting Mahone to call 911. The video shows police shattering the passenger window and using a stun-gun on Jones. Lawyers say the two children suffered minor cuts from flying glass. The lawsuit alleges excessive force, false arrest and battery.
In a statement earlier Tuesday, Hammond police said, “Police officers who make legal traffic stops are allowed to ask passengers inside of a stopped vehicle for identification and to request that they exit a stopped vehicle for the officer’s safety without a requirement of reasonable suspicion. When the passenger displayed movements inside of the stopped vehicle that included placing his hand in places where the officer could not see, officers’ concerns for their safety were heightened.” Mahone said since being pulled over, “I’m really in a state of shock.”
It seems like more and more people are refusing to comply with the pigs, creating a more violent scenario for themselves. We know they hate and fear us, so if a pig is violating your rights by all due respect, film him. Film him, but comply with the request and then use that footage to sue the hell out of him for violating your Civil Rights. But brothers, please please stop challenging them as if they will not shoot to kill us….THEY DO SHOOT TO KILL US. We need to stop making ourselves easy targets and victims. Why the hell did they all not have on a seatbelt? You are breaking the law by not having it on in turn you were stopped. I am in no way excusing the actions of the pigs, but I am saying lets be logical, it could have all been avoided. Say what you will, but if you have your family in the car with you, that is not the time to act like a martyr. This behavior and mentality scares me.
>>No matter what state [or what country] you’re in, if a passenger starts acting squirrely and/or mouthing off during a routine traffic stop, the police have every right to demand ID from everybody in the vehicle.<<
WRONG! In Nevada we don’t have to show the cops our ID unless we are behind the wheel of the vehicle. I can have my wallet in my pocket and still refuse to show it to the cop. Not a thing he can do if I don’t. I do have to tell him my name IF he asks. Anything else, tough noogies. If he has reason to charge and arrest me then I have to produce ID if I have it available.
You willing to try an experiment on that, by doing what the people in the video did, keeping the cops waiting for 15 mins, mouthing off, reaching your hands all over the place, keeping your windows rolled up and refusing to cooperate — all over a seatbelt violation?
Please get that on video and I’ll make the popcorn.
>>No matter what state [or what country] you’re in, if a passenger starts acting squirrely and/or mouthing off during a routine traffic stop, the police have every right to demand ID from everybody in the vehicle.<<
I didn’t say that the passenger did the correct thing but YOU are WRONG saying that the police have every right to demand ID from everybody in the vehicle. I am saying in Nevada they don’t have the authority to ask anyone for ID unless they are behind the steering wheel of a vehicle or being arrested.
Not if you're going to vote...
Or become one of the Elite, or their hired muscle/gunthugs...
"Laws are for the little people"
See this week's news about Robert Fiske & the Clintons.
"Law of the land" - yeah, whatever.
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