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To: Jacquerie
I'm not saying I have the answers, but there are things which won't work. For instance, what makes anyone think an administration accountable only to itself will heed any changes to a document it already ignores, even if the convention isn't hijacked and the Amendments are heeded.

What are you going to add to statements like "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated...", like "...shall not be infringed."

Aside from sprinkling it with a few expletives for emphasis, what are you going to do? (I am being facetious)

When the entire raison d'etre of the Government en masse has become that of subverting the constraining documents of Government and perverting the allocations of and restrictions on power, how do you make them pay attention to their duty?

Is there any peaceful way to do this within the system?

They ignored a million marchers from the TEA party, "non-event".

They laughed at those who questioned the credentials of the one in the White House.

They have used Federal Agencies and abused Federal Power to attack those who disagree with them.

They have, in violation of our laws, armed foreign insurgents who have for profit and in criminal enterprise turned those arms against our own people.

They have failed to secure our borders and the persons of our ambassadors overseas.

They have taken direct action to damage the morale and effectiveness of our fighting forces and given aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war.

What does it take to hold them to account?

The simpering mavens of Congress have also failed in their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution.

But do you seriously think any new Amendments to the Constitution are going to give them pause? ...That one more word will be the tipping point where they go, "Oh, I can only break 999 laws, 1000 would be too many?"

If the ballot box fails again, we're down to one box. If that's the case, may Almighty God help us.

56 posted on 09/21/2014 6:32:31 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; Jacquerie; GeronL; SatinDoll
Everyone please re-read what Smokin' Joe posted here, because it contains wisdom and the entire crux of the argument.

For instance, what makes anyone think an administration accountable only to itself will heed any changes to a document it already ignores, even if the convention isn't hijacked and the Amendments are heeded.

What are you going to add to statements like "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated...", like "...shall not be infringed."

Aside from sprinkling it with a few expletives for emphasis, what are you going to do?

When the entire raison d'etre of the Government en masse has become that of subverting the constraining documents of Government and perverting the allocations of and restrictions on power, how do you make them pay attention to their duty?

Is there any peaceful way to do this within the system?

They ignored a million marchers from the TEA party, "non-event".

They laughed at those who questioned the credentials of the one in the White House.

They have used Federal Agencies and abused Federal Power to attack those who disagree with them.

They have, in violation of our laws, armed foreign insurgents who have for profit and in criminal enterprise turned those arms against our own people.

They have failed to secure our borders and the persons of our ambassadors overseas.

They have taken direct action to damage the morale and effectiveness of our fighting forces and given aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war.

What does it take to hold them to account?

The simpering mavens of Congress have also failed in their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution.

But do you seriously think any new Amendments to the Constitution are going to give them pause?

Truly.

How do the proponents of Article V propose to get a post-Constitutional oligarchy to abide by additions to a document it already ignores?

How do proponents of Article V propose to counter nullification of any ratified Amendments by an activist judiciary acting on behalf of the oligarchy?

How do they propose to counter executive actions or 'legislative' actions that make it policy to ignore and disregard amendments the oligarchy disagrees with?

Levin is correct - we are in a post-constitutional system. We are being ruled by the lawless who are a law unto themselves alone. How does even he expect such a perverted and lawless system to allow these proposed additional yokes be placed upon itself without the use or threat of brutal force?

A government in the process of destroying the civil society is NOT going to allow civil recourse to restrain their agenda. Fact of history and human nature.

How do the Amendment V proponents plan to address that issue so that we can believe their efforts will not be in vain?

69 posted on 09/21/2014 7:20:45 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Smokin' Joe
If the ballot box fails again, we're down to one box. If that's the case, may Almighty God help us.

If the November elections are hijacked, we are in big trouble, and yes, we're down to the last box. . May God help us all. . "our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor." . .

90 posted on 09/21/2014 10:27:22 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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