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These observations are astute and comport with history. Expanding on two of them:

Idealists who 'temporarily' associate with thugs to bring down the existing order don't realize until it's too late that once the "revolution" is accomplished, the first thing that happens is the idealists are wiped out by the thugs, because they are no longer useful.

Another very dangerous and popular assumption [based on dialectical materialism] is that once civilization collapses, a new, improved paradigm will inevitably rise from the ashes. History has shown that what what actually happens is there a long period of darkness characterized at first by utter chaos, then roving gangs fighting over bones, rags and rubble. Finally the faction with the most weapons -- and most willingness to use them -- takes over and establishes order with an iron fist.

Once that happens, the new tyrannical paradigm becomes ossified for centuries to come; the only thing that changes are the dynasties. And each succeeding one is often more ruthless than the previous.

1 posted on 09/15/2014 5:47:13 PM PDT by walford
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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

2 posted on 09/15/2014 5:57:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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8. Sometimes Making Concessions Leads To Rebellion

Jimmy Carter pressured the Shah of Iran to release political prisoners, including Khomeni. We know how that turned out.


4 posted on 09/15/2014 6:02:00 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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To: walford
Somebody had to say it.

Someday, someone will write a thoughtful dystopian novel. Or maybe it's too difficult. Which is why time is better spent studying real history.

6 posted on 09/15/2014 6:12:45 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: walford
Idealists who 'temporarily' associate with thugs to bring down the existing order don't realize until it's too late that once the "revolution" is accomplished, the first thing that happens is the idealists are wiped out by the thugs, because they are no longer useful.

After the revolution was successful, Fidel Castro eliminated the idealists because, in addition to being no longer useful, they also became a dangerous liability...to him.

8 posted on 09/15/2014 6:24:07 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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Ping.


10 posted on 09/15/2014 6:45:23 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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She obviously never read the entire HungerGames triology, which addresses most of these problems.

Ditto for the Divergent series, part 2 and 3.

only adults think utopia exists.

and the problem of PTSS is addressed in the Hunger games 3...


11 posted on 09/15/2014 6:47:29 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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Excellent article.
Writers of fiction could do a lot worse than to model their works after real events.
Or one could write a historical novel of course, if one is up to the research. Tolstoy did, most likely, the best possible job in this regard.
In terms of science fiction I do suggest that people lay off the Belisarius theme. Its been done to death.


12 posted on 09/15/2014 6:50:27 PM PDT by buwaya
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once the “revolution” is accomplished, the first thing that happens is the idealists are wiped out by the thugs, because they are no longer useful.


Remember all the teachers and professors shipped off to do shovel shit have the Maoist revolution in China?


17 posted on 09/15/2014 7:36:28 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (The Bible doesn't say what I think it says and it says a lot of things I didn't know..........)
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1. Fight your enemy.

2. Defeat your enemy.

3. Become your enemy.

18 posted on 09/15/2014 7:40:19 PM PDT by matt1234 (Obama fled. People bled. (Iraq 2014.))
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bkmk


21 posted on 09/15/2014 11:22:15 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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“The idea that the Civil War was fought over “states’ rights” and not slavery resulted from a sort of PR campaign that began only fifteen years after the end of the war”

Bullshit, you ignorant POS.


23 posted on 09/16/2014 1:57:12 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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“The Confederacy was formed to ensure the continuation of slavery”

Slavery was only one issue. States’ rights and unfair taxation were also. The north winning ensured that federal rights trumped states’ rights and led to the bloated megalomaniac government we have today.


29 posted on 09/16/2014 9:01:28 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: walford
Excellent.

Best article of the week, the month, maybe even the year.

38 posted on 09/17/2014 2:14:55 PM PDT by x
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