[lafroste]

I've already seen their defense of global warming if the decreasing sun spot activity causes prolonged cooling-- they say sun activity has nothing to do with CO2, they are independent,

You are aware that that is nonsense, right? As the climate cools, the oceans cool. When the oceans cool the solubility of CO2 decreases, and that excess CO2 is released from the oceans into the atmosphere. One would expect that cooling temps would cause an increase in atmospheric CO2.

[LambSlave]

Yes, of course I realize it is nonsense! That was my point, they are idiots.