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To: NaturalBornConservative
Unfortunately, that's the plan on the table at the moment, and some people actually think it's good. I fail to see how that's missing the issue. I guess it's a matter of perception. I did state, "But keep in mind; this only includes the cost of processing and transporting them to the United States. It does not include the cost of feeding, educating, housing, etc…" The post was meant to be brief. I am responding to the current proposal, not every last detail of the illegal immigration problem. I purposefully did not provide all of the associated costs, I've got other fish to fry, but thanks for filling in the blanks.

The costs you cite are chump change compared to the real costs of illegal immigration. In 2010 it was estimated that illegal immigration costs $113 billion a year in just education, health care, and incarceration. This does not include crimes against Americans including murder and robbery. And the costs of legal immigration are exponentially higher. 80% of our population growth is driven by immigration.

I think I live on planet Earth, but I sometimes wonder. I am a Black Conservative. living in Georgia, who is engaged to a Mexican Immigrant. I am Conservative based on my life experience, not by birth or ethnicity. In fact, most of the immigrants I know (a lot of people) are either Conservative or up for grabs (independents), and are hard working, proud, and refuse any form of welfare. Your glass seems to be one-quarter empty. You worry about the 25% of immigrants living in poverty and forget about the 75% who are not.

Your personal experience and anecdotal evidence doesn't square with the facts. Most immigrants, legal and illegal, are natural Democrat constituents. They favor Big Government. I suggest you read this study, "How Mass (Legal) Immigration Dooms a Conservative Republican Party"

Immigration, legal and illegal, is hurting American workers, taking their jobs and depressing wages. Blacks and other minorities are the hardest hit. The figures on unemployment are devastating.

US Civil Rights Commission Members: Amnesty Will 'Disproportionately Harm' Black Community

I worked on and participated in the DC March for Jobs, which was sponsored by the Black American Leadership Alliance We cannot continue to bring in 1.1 million legal immigrants while 21 million Americans are unemployed or underemployed.

You seem preoccupied with America losing its whiteness, or something, whatever that's about, and seem to forget that we already are a nation of immigrants. Race really has nothing to do with it. Again, I will reiterate, "Why are Conservatives worrying about some election ten or twenty years from now, instead of focusing on this year and 2016?"

First, we are not a nation of immigrants. 85% of us were born here. People who say we are a nation of immigrants use it to advocate even more immigration at higher rates. Every nation is a nation of immigrants if you really want to look at the facts. The migration from the Great Rift valley in Africa over 20,000 years ago is where we came from. Even the so-called native American crossed over the Siberian land bridge.

You can pull the race card, but you are missing the point. We are Balkanizing our country along racial, ethnic, and cultural lines by introducing huge, unprecedented numbers of immigrants in a very short period of time. This persistent stream of immigrants, mainly from Latin America, who are not assimilating will have consequences. We have entered an era of tribal politics where 95% of blacks, 73% of Asians, and 71% of Hispanics vote Democrat. They favor Big Government with more services, which we can't afford.

Obama lost the non-Hispanic white vote 59%-39%. So you tell me who is voting more along racial and ethnic lines?

Again, I will reiterate, "Why are Conservatives worrying about some election ten or twenty years from now, instead of focusing on this year and 2016?"

Take a look at the electoral map and tell me what states Hillary will lose that Obama won? Do you think the Reps have a shot at winning CA? Demography is destiny.


28 posted on 07/26/2014 9:16:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Take a look at the electoral map and tell me what states Hillary will lose that Obama won? Do you think the Reps have a shot at winning CA? Demography is destiny.

I am from CA. When I last lived and voted there, Reagan carried the state (twice). So are you saying voters can't be persuaded? If all Republican's feel the way you do, then the party has pretty much sealed it's own fate. Many voted for Obama simply because he's black, not because they agreed so much with his or the Democratic platform. G.W. Bush won the presidency in 2000 and 2004, and now suddenly you're saying it's impossible to win again unless we stop all immigration (legal and illegal)? Sorry, but that's nonsense. What matters most is having a message that's genuine, and that the majority of American's agree with.

30 posted on 07/26/2014 12:08:23 PM PDT by NaturalBornConservative ("Something that everyone knows isn't worth knowing" ~ Bernard Baruch)
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To: kabar
The costs you cite are chump change compared to the real costs of illegal immigration.

Like I said before, I agree. However, the $101 billion I cited is around 214,949% greater than the $47 million teaser offered by the authors of the proposal I wrote about.

31 posted on 07/26/2014 12:17:28 PM PDT by NaturalBornConservative ("Something that everyone knows isn't worth knowing" ~ Bernard Baruch)
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