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WI: Bats Fail: 70-Year-Old Uses Revolver to stop Pit Bull Attack
Gun Watch ^ | 24 July, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/24/2014 4:30:50 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: Chaguito; Scoutmaster

That’s what I thought, the dogs were bred to fight bulls in pits. Dogs continued to do what they were bred to do, herd, retrieve, hunt, point or fight. Some dogs were bred to sit on people laps and that is what they are best at doing. Why is anyone surprised.


41 posted on 07/24/2014 6:48:25 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Bobalu
What’s next? Lions as pets?

Only if they're Second Hand Lions.

FMCDH(BITS)

42 posted on 07/24/2014 6:52:31 AM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: marktwain

I have a friend who was a missionary in Russia. He was told to immediately buy a bicycle chain and keep it up his selieve. He used it on human predators several times.

I had to use a 12 ga shotgun on two vicious dogs many years ago. I found the “birdshot because buckshot has too much penetration” to not cut it. I emptied the shotgun with no effect on them, and then used a .22 pistol.

I now keep the house gun loaded with 00 buck.


43 posted on 07/24/2014 7:08:27 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: 9YearLurker
>i>...her saving herself with the knife that she was carrying.

In addition to poop recovery tools, for my after supper dog walks I like to carry one of these:


Benchmade 580SBK Barrage Spring Assist Axis Lock (3.6" Black, partially serrated blade)

And one of these:


Surefire E2D LED Defender

44 posted on 07/24/2014 7:26:26 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

Now that’s a flashlight!


45 posted on 07/24/2014 7:48:44 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: marktwain

Iver Johnson is the best bet, although the H&R revolvers used a similar “stepped” grip. Most of those though are top breaks and I really can’t see the release catch.


46 posted on 07/24/2014 8:40:47 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Ditter
I understand what you say. My current dogs have been bred to be companion dogs for over 500 years, and that is all they are.

However, none of these 'pit bull' dogs were bred to fight bulls in pits.

Some were bred for bull baiting - including American Bulldogs and French bulldogs. That doesn't involve a pit.

Some were bred to fight other dogs in pits, such as the American Pit Bull.

The American Staffordshire Terrier is considered a 'pit bull.' At some point, bulldogs were bred to terriers. The result was the Staffordshire Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier. ASTs were NEVER, at any point during the breed's history, bred to fight bulls or to fight other dogs. From the beginning, the AST was specifically bred to be an affectionate family dog. However, it has a blocky head and a stout body, so it gets lumped in with 'pit bulls.' I am not now, nor have I ever been an American Staffie owner, but I know it's not an aggressive breed. I can't say the same for American Pit Bull Terriers.

"Pit bull' attacks rarely identify the breed; pit bull is used as a generic term based on how a dog looks, not what the dog breed is or was bred to do. I wouldn't be surprised if there were few or no purebred ASTs among the 'pit bull' deaths.

In fact, if you allocated 'pit bull' deaths among the specific 'pit bull' breeds actually involved, Rottweilers would probably be responsible for the most deaths by dog attack, or 'pit mixes.'

Another thing to consider is this is a current phenomenon, caused by backyard breeder looking for aggression and thug owners.

71% of the pit bull fatalities have occurred in the past 10 years; 42% in the past four years; 24% in the past two years.

Source: 30-Year Summary: Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 26, 2011 by Merritt Clifton, Animal People, 2012.

These statistics suggest it's certainly not just the breed- and even these specifics don't break out 'pit bulls' by specific breed.

47 posted on 07/24/2014 8:54:47 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: Scoutmaster

How many fatal dog attacks are there in the US in a given year? I suspect that it is not a great number. A hundred?


48 posted on 07/24/2014 9:32:48 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Scoutmaster

Bred to fight in a pit or not in a pit........... they were bred to fight. What difference does it make?

They were certainly not bred to fight children or the elderly but that is where it has led.

My Jack Russells were bred to hunt rats and they love it.


49 posted on 07/24/2014 10:06:20 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: from occupied ga

I’ve never owned bull dogs and never will - actually, I’d rather not have any pets. Not even a pet rock.

But in my LEO experience, I never had any problems with Pitt Bulls, Dobermans, Shepherds, Mastiffs, Rottweilers — all the typically “bad” dogs except for one bull dog when I got too close to her new litter of puppies.

But if we are creating a list, I would add Dalmations, Chows, Collies (the Lassie type) and medium to large indeterminate mongrels as those were consistently agressive and/or attacked. And for the record, I never shot a dog. I knocked quite a few on the nose with a flashlight and they kept their distance after that. Maybe I was lucky...

Just my personal experience - opinions may vary.


50 posted on 07/24/2014 10:28:50 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: baddog 219
their genetic lineage.

Of course you are onto it. You see if, if Lefto-Science agrees with your conclusion, which of course they have in every other field, they might have to admit that there are ...gasp... like these "bad" people/dogs out there. Not only that, some human groups/dog breeds may even ....gasp ....have more "bad" people/dogs than others.

We simply can't have that

51 posted on 07/24/2014 11:46:53 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
.....a strong and disciplined OWNER, has one. He is the sweetest dog, a big goof.

Your friend's son is the big goof, and Five Bucks says he has tattoos. Feed friendly Fido 15 minutes late and leave him in the room with a baby and you might soon see how sweet he is ... and be one baby short.

52 posted on 07/24/2014 11:50:54 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: Big Red Badger
There is a gang disguised as Mariachis and they
are Vicious! La Cucaracha is their War song.
LOL! You win..D@mn Rat Dogs...

53 posted on 07/24/2014 11:59:39 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Ditter
Bred to fight in a pit or not in a pit........... they were bred to fight. What difference does it make?

I keep telling you the difference. American Staffordshire Terriers were never bred to fight. The breed was always bred to be an affectionate family dog.

Because of the way that breed looks, it's lumped in as a 'pit bull' with American Pit Bull Terriers, Bull Terriers, American Bulldogs, the American Bully, and other breeds which were bred to fight.

54 posted on 07/24/2014 12:34:24 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: marktwain

Much less than a hundred. We’ve been consistently around 30 per year since 2005. Before that, the number was routinely in the single digits (which could be due to less attention by the news media).


55 posted on 07/24/2014 12:39:32 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: Scoutmaster

I am sure your dog is fine. My brother got an American Staffordshire Terrier when he was in A&M Veterinarian School. He didn’t keep it very long because it showed vicious tendencies almost immediately.. He was not as fortunate as you are. He brought the dog to my house once and it had to stay in the utility room away from the kids, I never saw it again.


56 posted on 07/24/2014 12:45:32 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Scoutmaster
71% of the pit bull fatalities have occurred in the past 10 years; 42% in the past four years; 24% in the past two years.

Of course, as pit bulls increase in number, the maiming and killings increase.

57 posted on 07/24/2014 1:11:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Ditter
I don't own an American Staffordshire Terrier. I never have and never intend to do so.

I've just been around enough dogs to know that there are big differences among the multiple breeds that are lumped into the generic term 'pit bull.'

If your brother had problems with an AST, it was probably because the dog was offended to affiliated with the Aggies and knew it wouldn't be buried in the endzone.

58 posted on 07/24/2014 1:22:44 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Be nice of you to post a chart. All this fuss over 30 fatalities a year? That is about as many children as die drowning in five gallon buckets!

True, I am sure there are many more maulings, but 30 a year is down in the noise level for deaths, which are about 2.5 million a year.

It makes a dramatic story, and reaches our primal instincts.


59 posted on 07/24/2014 1:32:45 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: ansel12
Yes. As the number of the various breeds lumped in as 'pit bulls' bred by backyard breeders looking for aggressiveness and size increase in number, and the number of owners who don't socialize their dogs and encourage them to be aggressive increase, the maiming and killings by at least some of the breeds that are deemed 'pit bulls' increase.

There are no statistics to show that each of the various breeds lumped in as 'pit bulls' have shown an increase in maiming and killing.

I'll wager there has been a dramatic increased in the number of deaths caused by American Pit Bull Terriers, but not by American Bull Terriers. Both are considered 'pit bulls.'

60 posted on 07/24/2014 1:33:31 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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