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SCHEME TO BYPASS ELECTORAL COLLEGE QUIETLY ADVANCES.
‘National Popular Vote’ 61% of way to skirting Constitution
1 posted on 05/16/2014 9:33:47 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Ray76

If the elites behind this thought it would help TEA Party candidates, the effort would instantly come to a halt.


2 posted on 05/16/2014 9:36:30 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Ray76

Communism advances.


3 posted on 05/16/2014 9:36:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Ray76

Presidential Election Popular Votes 1940-2012
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/common/pop_vote.html


4 posted on 05/16/2014 9:40:16 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Ray76

Considering the amount of ire for the Dems by the public, what happens when conservative Pubbies (or even GOP-E) win the popular vote?

What will they do then? Go back to the electoral college?


5 posted on 05/16/2014 9:44:14 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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AND .. IN CASE YOU HAVEN’T NOTICED .. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE DEMS WANT AMNESTY .. THEY WILL NEED ALL THOSE VOTES IN ORDER TO WIN THE ELECTION IN 2016.

IF THEY MANAGE TO PULL IT OFF .. IT WILL FINISH THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA.

OR .... IT WILL START A CIVIL WAR (WHICH IS WHAT I THINK OBAMA WANTS); HE WILL DECLARE MARTIAL LAW AND ALL GOVT WILL BE SUSPENDED.

AMERICA BETTER WAKE UP .. WE’RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME.


8 posted on 05/16/2014 9:53:39 PM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: Ray76

Do those that advocate the popular vote scheme expect conservative states to just accept it without contemplation of separation?


9 posted on 05/16/2014 9:53:41 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Ray76

We’re about two elections away from a Mexican president. Sometimes I’m glad I’m old....


11 posted on 05/16/2014 9:56:27 PM PDT by clintonh8r (#Don't give up! The liberals are buggering and aborting themselves into extinction.)
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To: Ray76

Why are these states so quick to yield their sovereignty?


13 posted on 05/16/2014 10:05:15 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Ray76

Many constitutional scholars find that the NPV Compact probably is unconstitutional. Here are some links:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.law2.byu.edu%2Flawreview%2Farticles%2F1360684250_3.williams.fin.pdf&ei=ivB2U9zUCsuisQSCqYHIBA&usg=AFQjCNFALc56QqubWsTX4vIFpzPGlIp6vQ

http://www.michiganlawreview.org/articles/ideological-endowment-the-staying-power-of-the-electoral-college-and-the-weaknesses-of-the-national-popular-vote-interstate-compact

http://jurist.org/forum/2012/02/william-ross-vote-compact.php

Basically, the arguments against the NPV are that it violates the Compact Clause of the Constitution, it may violate the Voting Rights Act, and it violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.


16 posted on 05/16/2014 10:35:00 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Ray76

the winners are big population centers and losers are medium and small states.

in essence it makes all states losers except for about six.


17 posted on 05/16/2014 10:35:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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I'd love to find some way to make the selection of the president non-partisan.

Having a partisan president select a partisan head of the Justice Department means the executive branch can get away with just about anything, the 2/3rds of the Senate conviction standard being a very high bar.

18 posted on 05/16/2014 10:40:53 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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The whole point of the Electoral College was to allow a way to elect a president that the people didn’t vote for if the people ever made what the overlords felt was an incorrect decision.


22 posted on 05/17/2014 2:19:15 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Ray76

The majority of the population of the US lives in democrat controlled states. That’s why they want to pass this law. It would make republicans extinct.


23 posted on 05/17/2014 3:51:13 AM PDT by macglencoe (You see what the left hand is doing, but you should be watching the right hand.)
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Another scheme from scheming socialists? Adios, republic.

“a Republic madam, if you can keep it.” Benjamin Franklin recognized the threat posed to a “Representative Republic” by partisan politics, special interests, and unrestrained growth of the central (Federal) government. The Constitution imposed heavy restrictions upon the three separate and equal branches of government and left the fabric of authority for legislation in the hands of the several individual states protected by the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.

http://libertyssong.com/2011/03/31/what-kind-of-government-have-you-given-us-dr-franklin/


26 posted on 05/17/2014 4:14:06 AM PDT by PGalt
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How could this pass Constitutional muster?

1) It will nullify the votes of a MAJORITY of some States’ voters, deny the the right to vote to millions of citizens.
2) It allows OTHER States to select the electors for your State. Constitution does not allow that.
3) Illegal voting in one State could throw an election. Cheating would be rampant and competitive.

No way in hell will this Democrat scheme stand.
No Constitution, no peace.


28 posted on 05/17/2014 5:07:55 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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1. Seems it would encourage a proliferation of 3rd parties.

2. It appears to be contrary to the purpose statement of the US Constitution which is to guarantee to the people a ‘republican’ form of government.

3. Other inconsistencies with the constitution should make it possible for smaller states to take this to the Supreme Court. For example, the Constitution doesn’t seem to give the state legislatures the authority to determine the vote of the elector: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector. “

4. This makes it possible for a coalition of California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, and New Jersey to run the nation. 11 States could run the nation. We say, “impossible”. But, if it becomes clear to a potential majority that they could ALWAYS have what they wanted, then it is entirely possible.


44 posted on 05/17/2014 8:22:01 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Ray76
The NPV is run by individuals with a history of support for the Democratic Party an irrational inability to get over the fact that Al Gore lost in 2000.
52 posted on 05/17/2014 9:04:23 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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