The need for loud, swift action in response to John Kerry’s libelous statements about Israel

Bookwormroom.com ^ | 4-28-2014 | Bookworm

[exit82]

This entire Administration needs to resign.

Where is our “Reset button”?

[NorthMountain]

You said that Holocaust rememberers (Jews?) “sweep it under the rug.”

Perhaps you would prefer a different term? It matters little. Bandying semantics is a fool's errand. The facts just won't go away, will they? 5.5 million murders inspired by racial malice are a pretty big thing to forget. Have you forgotten them? I have not. Hitler et al murdered almost 12 million people in the death camps. Deal with it.

That indicates they are intentionally trying to hide something.

Intentionally? Well, yes. Of course. They're human; they act according to plans and intentions. It's what humans do. I suppose we could say that they're mere brute beasts, acting according to instinct ... but I know that to be false. I cannot speak to the knowledge possessed by others, nor can I speak to their intentions.

I can only speak to my own knowledge and intentions. I know that Hitler's atrocities far exceed the 6 million Jews he murdered. I intend that we NEVER FORGET.

[NorthMountain]

That is the way the Devil pays those who serve him well.

The Devil pays his followers by dragging their souls to Hell.

[GOPJ]

Showing what a crude bastard he is (which is separate from his being a stupid, malevolent, narcissistic gold digger), John Kerry chose Yom Hashoah as the day on which to announce that Israel is on the verge of becoming an apartheid state.

John Kerry's a tacky lowlife with money. Not enough money to wash away his filth, but enough to impress people like Obama...

What other reason could there be for him to be at State?

I'm ashamed of how he treated the people of Israel on this very special day... what on earth is the matter with him?

[xzins]

So, then, are Christians trying to hide something when they detail the number of Christians killed in Syria and not mention the Muslims being killed?

Or are they just detailing the impact on their own community?

[Dqban22]

This is not a matter of ethnic o national origin; but it is about whom an American president should support, our faithful friends and allies or our enemies?

[NorthMountain]

Are you trying to make a point of some sort?

[xzins]

I’m trying to get you to answer the question at #25. I’ve asked it about 3 times now, and each time you’ve considered other issues in the posts more important to respond to.

[NorthMountain]

I don’t answer red herrings. Are you trying to make some kind of point?

[xzins]

A red herring is trying to divert attention. Instead, I’m trying to focus attention on the position of some that Jews are trying to “sweep under the rug” or “hide” 6 million non-Jews killed in the Holocaust when they focus on the 6 million Jews who were killed in the Holocaust.

I don’t think they’re trying to “hide” or “sweep under the rug”. I think they’re just focusing on their own people.

So, the question about Christians focusing on only Christians killed in Syria is appropriate. If there are also Moslems being killed, does that mean Christians are trying to “hide” something or “sweep something under the rug”, OR are they simply trying to communicate the damage done to their own community?

What do you think?

[NorthMountain]

A red herring is trying to divert attention

That's exactly what you're doing. You're saying "Look! Someone else is committing atrocities!!! Let's talk about that instead!!!"

What do you think?

I think that deliberate partial reporting of an event, deliberately leaving out important parts of it, deliberately presenting a small fraction of it as if it were the whole is morally reprehensible. And doing it accidentally suggests incompetence.

And it doesn't matter who is doing it.

Remember, we're talking about the atrocities of the Third Reich here, not somebody else's atrocities. So ... once again: What possible excuse is there for limiting one's discussion of National Socialist death-camp atrocities to approximately half the folks killed there? Seriously: can you even try to come up with a good excuse for it?

[xzins]

I just told you. The Jews are focusing on the damage done to their own community, their own people.

That is not “hiding” or “sweeping under the rug”. It’s not even disrespecting.

It is nothing more than dealing with a great horror’s impact on them.

It isn’t even about someone else committing atrocities. And it was never even presented in such a way. It’s always been presented as a parallel in today’s world with Christians in Syria. It has never been presented as a diversion from the Holocaust, and that is obviously so because both sides of the parallel were always mentioned.

[Buggman]

I would also point out that while Yom HaShoah is primarily focused on the Holocaust as a personal tragedy for the Jewish people, the prayers and exhortations on that day look beyond the Jews to all who are oppressed and murdered because they are different.

It's actually that impulse to stand up for the oppressed which put the Jews at the forefront of the Civil Rights Movement for blacks in this country, and which has led to most secular Jews leaping on supporting homosexual rights. I of course believe there to be a wide gulf between protecting ethnicities and protecting sexual behavior, but the desire to stand up for the perceived oppressed is a strong one in Jews.

It's also why Israel hasn't simply waged genocidal war against the Palestinian Arabs and driven them out of the Land, btw.

Shalom

[xzins]

Thanks, Buggman.

I don’t think the Israelis/Jews are guilty of trying to “sweep under the rug” or “hide” the deaths of those other people killed in the Holocaust when they mention the 6 million Jews killed.

Shalom

[Buggman]

Any more than Armenians and Assyrians are guilty of sweeping the Holocaust under the rug when they emphasize the Turkish genocide, agreed.

Shalom