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1 posted on 04/24/2014 8:45:49 AM PDT by IChing
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To: IChing

I just find it fascinating that the selfsame government which goes to such lengths to remove a few head of cattle can’t abide its Constitutional obligation to secure our borders from invasion.


2 posted on 04/24/2014 8:59:10 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: IChing

“To the victor go the spoils.”

That is not a principle much discussed or favored by Western Civilization these days. All manner of 3rd World Despots still subscribe, but civilized nations are supposed to look the other way even in the Romper Room known as the United Nations.


8 posted on 04/24/2014 9:09:17 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: IChing

The death of the Bundy’s at the hands of this regime destroys forever the concepts of limited government, its legitimacy and our freedom.


9 posted on 04/24/2014 9:18:48 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: IChing

Rarely are the aggreived morally superior. Typically they are reprobates. Their personal foibles do not make their oppression acceptable.
The government’s case is predicated upon their presumption that they own everything.The BLM studiously ignored research that proved the importance of grazed land for the health of the tortoise. Their insistence that Bundy reduce his herd from 800 to 150 precipitated his refusal to continue paying consulting feed to BLM. That is, when the agency charged with aiding ranchers instead began shutting them down, he stopped paying for their services.
Bundy is the last of those ranchers who grazed their cattle on open land. All the others have been shut down by government edict.


11 posted on 04/24/2014 9:22:57 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: IChing
Even among some Tea Party types, there are voices who are saying Cliven Bundy is just a free-loading, renegade rancher who should have been paying the fees to the feds for these last couple of decades, for his herds’ foraging around on “federal lands.” They say Bundy is flat-out wrong in the showdown with the Bureau of Land Management.

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson

14 posted on 04/24/2014 11:17:00 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: IChing
In posting this I am not to try to pass myself off as a constitutional lawyer. I am simply writing Stephen Pratt's thoughts on this issue.

Mary Davis's photo.

A quick background as to why the BLM should not be harassing Cliven Bundy. This issue goes all the way back to the Confederation Papers, prior to the writing of our US Constitution.

Please remember that the Supreme Court has reversed more than 150 of earlier Supreme Court decisions on natural law. Is that what you would consider as someone being consistent and reliable in interpreting the Constitution?

The Resolution of 1780, "the federal trust respecting public lands obligated the united States to extinguish both their governmental jurisdiction and their title to land that achieved statehood."

In the Constitutional Convention of 1787, The Charter of Liberty contained these words, "The new Federal Government is an agent serving the states.", "The delegated powers are few and defined", "All powers not listed are retained by the states or the people", "The Resolution of 1780 formed the basis upon which Congress was required to dispose of territorial and public lands", "All laws shall be made by the Congress of the United States". (not agency bureaucrats!)

That should be sufficient for you to determine who all public lands belong to, hint - NOT the Federal Government!

"The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, it's meaning does not alter. That which it meant when adopted. it means now". So said the Supreme Court in South Carolina v United States in 1905

Articles of Confederation, Article VI, clause 1 All engagements entered into before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation. In Article IX "... no State shall be deprived of territory for the benefit of the United States."

Formation of a "more perfect union" does not absolve that union of prior engagements, including those obligations establish by the resolution of 1780 and the Articles of Confederation.

Our government system is established by compact, not between the Government and the State Governments but between the States as Sovereign Communities. By James Madison 1821 (This is what make the County Sheriffs the highest law enforcement officer in that County and gives him/her the authority to tell the BLM, the FBI or any other Federal Agency to get out of the County or they will be arrested and jailed.)

What I have written here is but a short piece of the process that the Founder went through to establish our Constitution and system of government.

Please view these videos and see if they don't change your mind about whether or not Cliven Bundy is in the wrong by defying the BLM.

1of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference

2of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference

3of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference

Here's one that shows why the Sheriff of Clark County is duty bound to keep the BLM and all Federal agents from arresting Cliven Bundy.

Steven Pratt, Bound by Oath to Support THIS Constitution,

15 posted on 04/24/2014 4:09:10 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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