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To: Dead Corpse

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/you-say-you-need-some-dead-tortoises-son/

Here is counter local input:

Ill report all I’ve been told on this deal with my meetings with Cliven and others. In 1993 they cut their permit by 50% citing the desert tortoise competing for forage with cattle. Some permitees took a buy out and sold out. Cliven stayed and refused to take their offer. He says it was about sixty thousand dollars. By 1998 they had completely closed down the Gold Butte area to livestock grazing. Still Cliven continued to graze. Even paying the county of Clark in which he resides in, in Nevada. So those that claim he never paid are simply mistaken. Of coarse he didn’t pay the BLM because they were not sending him a grazing bill, they closed the area to grazing. A side note here: look up tortoise euthinization. They have run out of money to keep tending these turtles they are raising. So they plan on killing all these endangered tortoises they have raised. I believe this is much more to do with a dysfunctional government than aRancher. I don’t like the fact that this issue has divided ranchers against ranchers. The sad truth is the government is in a sad state. I believe Cliven could have handled things differently and he will admit to that as well. But ask yourselves, would you sell your lively hood out because of a turtle and some environmental groups pressure on the BLM? I for one would not and when they list this Sage Hen as endangered, I personally believe a lot of us will have to do as Cliven has done and just say enough is enough. I have a love of these ranges, and a love for my cattle, family and my heritage. (Not in that order) I have a family to feed. And I will fight to feed them. Anyway if you have any questions let me know. I’m knee deep in this deal. Especially my wife and her family. On other note.. I hate when people say we run our cattle on these ranges so cheaply. While our fees may seem rather cheap every year, I assure it is very expensive to purchase these grazing rights. Very expensive


23 posted on 04/10/2014 7:03:56 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (uire)
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To: Dead Corpse

How much of Nevada is owned by the Feds?


25 posted on 04/10/2014 7:12:32 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Even paying the county of Clark in which he resides in, in Nevada. So those that claim he never paid are simply mistaken.

All news reports state Bundy said he is willing to pay grazing fees but only to Clark County, not BLM. I've never seen anything from Bundy stating that he has paid grazing fees to Clark County.

40 posted on 04/10/2014 8:47:10 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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