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'Cosmos' 2nd episode: Neil deGrasse Tyson condescends toward doubters of evolution
March 17, 2014

Posted on 03/17/2014 11:17:25 AM PDT by EveningStar

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To: EveningStar
"I thought this was supposed to be a science show, not a political show."

How would being condescending to creationists make it political? That's still a scientific subject.

101 posted on 03/17/2014 12:38:11 PM PDT by mlo
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To: papertyger

It turns them into a sort of exclusive priesthood, something which I thought was a “damnable” feature of “religion.”

Part of it is how the attempts to prognosticate on short term climate changes have been carried out. They are trying to solve for more variables than they have equations, and the older, more cautious breed of scientist would tell them not to undertake this fool’s errand, but they undertake it anyhow.


102 posted on 03/17/2014 12:38:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: papertyger

Saying we don’t know, can’t know now or may never know the answer is not the same as ignoring the question. The “quest for truth” has to be based on what can be proven.


103 posted on 03/17/2014 12:39:17 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: mlo

Sciences don’t exist in vacuums. But sometimes those who purport to use them, suck (ok, pun intended).


104 posted on 03/17/2014 12:39:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Fuzz

Relationships with God can be proven. However they don’t turn the contents of test tubes green upon demand so they get scoffed at by the worldly set.


105 posted on 03/17/2014 12:41:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: afsnco
"Ah, yes. That pesky Second Law of Thermodynamics... Not to mention the First Law of Thermodynamics... Also, that pesky, Law of Biogenesis..."

They don't mean what you think they mean.

106 posted on 03/17/2014 12:41:51 PM PDT by mlo
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Certainly, but that doesn’t answer the question.


107 posted on 03/17/2014 12:42:36 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
As a chemist (away from the rarefied air of therotical physics for some time), I must ask, can molecules “evolve”? I know they can decay and, even subsequently return to their natural state but, can Lead (Pb) become Gold (Au)?

Short answer: Radioactive decay (e.g., Radium -> Radon -> Lead).

Even so-called "stable" elements actually have extremely long halflives. Eventually (in trillions or even quadrillions of years) all atoms heavier (with an atomic number higher) than iron will decay into iron.

But no, I wouldn't call that "evolution."

Regards,

108 posted on 03/17/2014 12:43:51 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: mlo

It shows the taint of what we already have seen is political. If your dog smells like skunk, you generally infer that he’s messed with a skunk.


109 posted on 03/17/2014 12:44:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Blueflag

“IT all depends on your starting point.”

My BIL thinks the starting point was 6,000 years ago.


110 posted on 03/17/2014 12:48:51 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Fuzz
Saying we don’t know, can’t know now or may never know the answer is not the same as ignoring the question.

Yes, it is, because those things are not what is being claimed.

111 posted on 03/17/2014 12:52:20 PM PDT by papertyger (if disdain of homosexual behavior is "bigotry," is it any wonder hostility to Islam is "racism?")
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; EveningStar; GeronL; papertyger

You might like what Sultan Knish (Daniel Greenfield) has to say about Tyson...and the left in general.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-left-is-too-smart-to-fail.html

I had seen DeGrasse Tyson on some other science shows and I have to agree completely with the Sultan about him being a mediocrity. He’s the result of the same american sickness that has given us Maya Angelou as poet laureate and Obama as president. Affirmative action anyone?

But regarding evolution... I was pretty much a believer until I ran into a book a few months ago called “Darwin’s Doubt”. It was truly an eye opener. Stephen Meyer totally dismantles the theory from many different scientific angles. At the end he makes a case for intelligent design, but presented no evidence other than through inference, but was not convincing enough for me, though it definitely raised the possibility.

So right now I’m in limboland - I no longer believe that life evolved Darwin’s way, (though I believe microevolution does occur), and there’s not enough evidence for intelligent design either, so I’m waiting for the evolution of the next theory.


112 posted on 03/17/2014 12:52:21 PM PDT by aquila48 (tota)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Huh? The allegation was that being condescending to people that reject evolution was political. I asked how that is political. No context or references to other things we’ve seen are implied by the question.


113 posted on 03/17/2014 12:53:54 PM PDT by mlo
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To: The Cajun

“Just a rehash of older stuff, Sagan did it better.”

I think so truly. Better than the Cosmos episodes was his thought-provoking “Intelligent Life in the Universe book”


114 posted on 03/17/2014 1:04:24 PM PDT by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: aquila48

Interesting.

The problem with subscribing to evolution is that you have to dismiss the words of Christ. Evolution teaches that man is a recent arrival upon the earth, compared with all other life forms. But Jesus affirmed that God made man “in the beginning.”

Also, if you believe evolution, you believe in eons of bloodshed and death before man ever showed up. Yet Genesis says there was no suffering nor death until created Man chose to disobey God.


115 posted on 03/17/2014 1:06:35 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
I've had it explained to me that scientific experiments should be "reproducible"--that is, if one species changes into another, you should be able to make it happen in the laboratory. Certainly it should have happened by now, considering the many experiments all over the world over so many years with fruit flies. Yet, no new fruit fly.

So the "scientists" just call people names when those people express skepticism.

Science is in process of being ruined by progressivism.

116 posted on 03/17/2014 1:10:59 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: EveningStar
I watched a few minutes of the earlier episode. Didn't much care for the evil cartoon characters.


117 posted on 03/17/2014 1:13:36 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: mlo

Political, that is an academic question perhaps, but it certainly reflects arrogance, as if the physical sciences were the oracle of all tangible reality.


118 posted on 03/17/2014 1:14:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Mamzelle

Sciences are wonderful servants. They are hideous masters.


119 posted on 03/17/2014 1:15:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

“I must ask, can molecules “evolve”? I know they can decay and, even subsequently return to their natural state but, can Lead (Pb) become Gold (Au)?”

Lead and gold are elements, not molecules.


120 posted on 03/17/2014 1:18:28 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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