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To: editor-surveyor; aMorePerfectUnion; Cvengr; metmom; redleghunter; af_vet_1981; Zuriel; Iscool; ...
You keep wanting a response to your post #145. Well, let’s look at those passages.

You highlighted Jesus words ”but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” in an attempt to prove that going back under the law and following the commandments is required. Yet you neglect to include the words in that same passage where Jesus also said ”If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor”. Surely you have sold all that you have and have given the proceeds to the poor right? Or are you some sort of hypocrite and only take those words of Jesus that fit your little package of beliefs?

Then you quoted Mark 10 which is the same conversation of Jesus where He said ”go and sell all that thou hast, and give to the poor”. If you take one comment literally you must take the next also. If you have not I would believe you to be a hypocrite.

You next quoted Luke 1:6 where the comment was made about Zacharias the priest. Zacharias was under the law as it was prior to the death and resurrection of Christ. You highlighted the quote ”walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless”. I would focus your attention on the word all in that quote. But in these threads you have had to concede that you cannot follow all of the “commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless”. If you do not follow them all but insist we must you are a hypocrite akin to the Pharisees.

I’ll not list the entire list you included but will consolidate them in the statement that your intent was to illustrate that we are to literally follow all the laws of the Old Testament. One of the verses you quoted included this statement ”He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”. If you believe that means that we are to keep all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless” as given in the Torah but you don’t keep them all you are a “liar, and the truth is not in” you.

There are 613 “commandments and ordinances” in the Torah yet when challenged you dismiss many of them saying they don’t apply to you. Well, how about you tell us which of those 613 you consider to apply to you and that you follow ’blameless”. And if you do, have you sold all and given it to the poor? If not, you are a liar, and the truth is not in you.

So let’s have it. List which of the “commandments and ordinances” that you think still apply today and lets discuss them.

200 posted on 03/05/2014 5:57:32 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
You highlighted Jesus words ”but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” in an attempt to prove that going back under the law and following the commandments is required. Yet you neglect to include the words in that same passage where Jesus also said ”If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor”. Surely you have sold all that you have and have given the proceeds to the poor right? Or are you some sort of hypocrite and only take those words of Jesus that fit your little package of beliefs?

Jesus taught us many things in His encounter with the "rich young ruler." Jesus gives us the example of how to witness the Gospel to others. Jesus presented the young man with the Law, which means He dragged him up Mt Sinai to see if he met the muster. As is the case with all 'sons of Adam' the young man was found lacking and did not meet the standard of perfection which the Law requires (as we see at the end of Matthew 5, be perfect like your Father in Heaven is perfect). Jesus then goes on to state to the amazed disciples that these things are impossible for men, but with God all things are possible. Teaching them that One will go to Mt Zion to deliver them.

245 posted on 03/05/2014 10:06:48 AM PST by redleghunter
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To: CynicalBear

Thank you for relaying Satan’s bizarre line of questioning!
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315 posted on 03/05/2014 1:43:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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