Josh Lang's Photos of the Fuddy Crash Are Not the Same Plane

Butterdezillion's Blog ^ | 2-23-14 | Butterdezillion

[BigIsleGal]

What are you talking about? What am I missing.

[Yaelle]

He is very believable; I enjoyed reading his story of the harrowing survival. I agree, it would be very unsettling to read a blog where someone was creating a whole conspiracy out of your life. He may not know anything about Fuddy.

[rodguy911]

Thanks very much. I wonder if there is any way to get side by side photos of the two numbes onthe two planes. It would be a bit more conclusive.

[rodguy911]

Short extension sticks for go pros are quite common. Longer sticks over 8-10 feet not so much.It’s something we may get into if we ever get any time.They are everywhere down here.

[rodguy911]

Thanks, and you are correct. It's not even evidence.

Sometimes the idea is to find the evidence. It's not always given to you on a silver platter,unless yo are willing to accept the drivebymedia version of things which many here are not.

Sometimes you have to dig and dig and its possible to never find conclusive evidence. But, we keep looking as in Benghazi or the BC or so many other aspects of this false presidency. This is the slickest group of criminals to ever occupy the White House. The fact that they are good at committing crimes and then covering them up should come as no surprise to anyone here.

So far we have just begun our research and little is written in stone. Tough for some of you to deal with, but DEAL WITH IT!

[rodguy911]

Does anyone know what the tide was, which way the wind was blowing and if there were any currents other than tide and wind to move objects in the water. All that should be verifyable unless there are currents that move back and forth which are sometimes unpredictable.

[rodguy911]

We probably need a Cessna engineer,mechanic or other to tell what is what with the various photogrpahs.

[rodguy911]

My big question is did we see “all” the photos taken by Lang or not. We already know the go pro film was heavily edited. If we only get part of the evidence/story it’s hard to tell what is going on.

[rodguy911]

I’m not sure we have enough dna photographic eye witnesses from unbiased people to tell if she is dead or not.

[rodguy911]

If you want to get real conspiratorial why in the world if you are going to assisinate someone would you try and do it on/in the water instead of in the dark of night on land.
However if you want to instill chaos while you remove someone from a scene and place someone else in their place and bury them as well maybe you do it as this crash may suggest.
Either way its a stretch. That’s why we are looking into it to try and find as much truth as possible.

[WhiskeyX]

"Does anyone know what the tide was, which way the wind was blowing and if there were any currents other than tide and wind to move objects in the water." At the time the incident occurred I posted some of the wind and temperature information on FR. The information came from NOAA and other sources. Information about tides, waves, sea currents and more must come from a variety of sources. Since some of them are premium content requiring unpaid or paid subscriptions, I didn't use them. One of them was . "All that should be verifyable unless there are currents that move back and forth which are sometimes unpredictable." They're not likely to be verifiable in the sense of what you expect from the data to track the survivors in the water. The aircraft ditched in the sea something like 500-600 yards offshore and beyond the end of the runway, if I remember correctly. The survivors were swept by the currents to distances of something like a half mile to mile out to sea in the channel. Competitive sports boaters and swimmers often comment about the problems they had with unpredicatble currents and strong currents in the channel. They talk about a vortex, where strong currents collide and create a chaotic area in which the kayakers find it difficult to make any progress in their paddling.

[holden]

At 2:48.5 of the GMA video, the info babe says, "Un-unfortunately there was one fatality. The state's Health Director was on board and was killed."

George Stephanopoulos, star of the 1993, politically-oriented film, "The War Room," then refocuses to close out the segment--in perfect character, so as to leave the desired impression--saying, "Yeah, but boy, that is incredible stuff we saw right there!"

HF

[holden]

The alarm referred to a couple of times in this thread is the characteristic stall warning horn of virtually all aircraft. It may not be disabled or non-functioning at the beginning of any flight. Its lengthy intoning at the moments before the water landing (at that “non-spiraling” attitude) indicate the craft will sink those last few feet to the surface at the lowest possible airspeed. In other words, there he lived-up to the designation of being a good glider pilot.

HF

[holden]

"A one knot sea current can move Puentes and the others about 600 feet or two football fields in only ten minutes.

If you're going to attempt to throw around the math, you need two things, 1) to show evidence of the occurrence, 2) its significance, and 3) the math needs to be correct. You have none of the above. (again)

1) You've produced no evidence about what the currents were at that location.

2) Did it push the swimmers any particular direction? No information or significance have you shown.

3) 6000' is one nautical mile, thus to travel 600' would take one tenth of an hour at one knot, meaning six minutes or 360 seconds. That would be the same as 60' in just over a half minute (36 seconds).

HF

[WhiskeyX]

Sorry Fred, but I have to point out that the original African colonials do not include the Europeans at all. The Europeans were relatively very late comers to the colonization of Sub-Sahara Africa. Preceding the Europeans by many centuries were the Arabs and Arab slave traders. preceding the Arabs were many others ranging from the Carthaginians to the Egyptians and others.

Obama’s paternal ancestors include members of the Luo tribe and Jo Luo culture. Their ancestry can be traced to a number of haplogroups which for the most part are confined to a presence in Africa in the areas of South Sudan, Uganda, and Kenya with lesser exceptions. There are one or more haplogroups which indicate descent from Cushite or perhaps some Ethiopian ancestry.

There has been some “speculation” about the role of the Luo as Muslim and/or Arab slave traders with connections to the Arab slave trading colonies in East Africa.

[DuncanWaring]

I’d say the burden of proof is on those who would claim otherwise.

[Uncle Chip]

The side by side photos in question are right here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3126226/posts?page=17#21

If the last two letters of the N-number on the Lang photo on the left are not the M and A as on the Puente photo on the right, then what other letters could they be???

[Smokin' Joe]

Waves influence the water that carries them, decreasingly, to a depth equal to 1/2 their wavelength. If the water there was 60-70 ft. deep, then the waves would have to have a 140 ft wavelength to so much as disturb fine sediment on the plane. For the waves to disturb the mass of the plane (much less be destructive) they would have to be larger, with a longer wavelength, or the water would have to be significantly shallower than reported.

The plane should have been below wave base (the depth the waves influence the water).

[WhiskeyX]

The general circulation currents around the Hawaiian islands have been described as running about a third to a half knot in speed. See:

Integrated Ocean Observing System
http://oos.soest.hawaii.edu/pacioos/outreach/oceanatlas/currents.php

More particularly in places like the Molokai Channel the currents are described as being faster and more treacherous. Search for information about “Molokai Channel” “currents” for examples of the discussions and descriptions from the people who swim, paddle, sail, and motorboat in those currents.

The survivors were picked up by the rescuers at distances of about half a mile to one mile from the crash site, which is very consistent with sea currents running at or greater than the 0.5 knots described as typical for the sea currents outside the restricted waters among the Hawaiian Islands.

For a general idea where the survivors were located in relation to the crash site and the airport of their departure, find the rescuer videos and note the relative position of the island in the background of the view.