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To: caww; editor-surveyor; CynicalBear
...The word “church” literally means “those called out,” but it also refers to those, like Peter who confess Jesus is the Son of the Living God, something that was not revealed in the Old Testament....These called out ones are NOT in reference to the Mosaic Law that was given the nation Israel...[...]

The 'called out ones' have existed all_the_way_along. The New Testament attests that the 'church' was at the parting of the red sea, and at Sinai.

[...] but to a whole NEW Covenant. Matt.16:13-20

There are MANY covenants. Did the Adamic covenant make the Edenic null? Did the Abrahamic covenant make null the Noahdic? Did Moses make null Abraham? I think you need to see 'covenant' as an ongoing revelation - a series of transparencies laid one on another... Because each in turn endorses and affirms what came before, to include the Messianic endorsing the Mosaic. EVERY WORD of YHWH will be kept.

596 posted on 02/17/2014 8:49:35 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1; caww; editor-surveyor; metmom; Iscool; boatbums
>> EVERY WORD of YHWH will be kept.<<

Do you do this one>

bind tefillin on the head (Deut. 6:8) (CCA9).

How about this one?

affix the mezuzah to the doorposts and gates of your house (Deut. 6:9) (CCA12).

Or what about this one?

Not to indulge in familiarities with relatives, such as kissing, embracing, winking, skipping, which may lead to incest (Lev. 18:6) (CCN110).

Maybe this one?

Not to borrow on interest (Deut. 23:20) (because this would cause the lender to sin) (CCN55).

We could go through all 613 because even breaking one means you’ve broken them all right?

Would you please help us out and tell us which of the 613 laws are still in effect?

605 posted on 02/17/2014 9:45:03 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: roamer_1

Again....Scripturally we find the church is not Israel but a separate entity under an ‘entirely new covenant’.... Israel is called the wife of Jehovah while the church is called the bride of Christ showing distinctions in how God relates to each......

.....No matter where anyone is in the world, those who confess Jesus as Lord, God the Son and Savior, become part of the Church, which is an invisible living organism of which Christ is the head.The true church is built on the confession of who Jesus is,Mt.16:16-18 .

Covenants....A covenant is an agreement between 2 parties, one is God the other man. There are two different types of agreements in scripture. ....Conditional and unconditional.

Conditional – base on man keeping the agreement by cooperation. If you will I will.

Unconditional.—Is based on Gods promise by him fulfilling his part. I will even if you disobey .

Covenants in sequential order (most recognize there are only two basic covenants, the mosaic and the New covenant)

Edenic covenant conditional Gen.2:15-17 resulted in spiritual death.

Adamic covenant-conditional Gen.3:14-21 resulted in physical death.

Noahic covenant-Unconditional Gen.9:1-19 still in effect resulted in worldwide flood.rainbow as the seal or token.

Abrahamic covenant- Uncondional Gen.12:1-3 to Abraham for Israel seal of the covenant Gen.15:1-21 circumcision as seal Gen.17:1-29.

Mosaic covenant-Conditional Ex.19:3-8 Between God and Israel only. Sign and seal of Cov. Ex.24:1-11 Sabbath as the seal.

Land covenant-Unconditional Deut.29:10-15 30:11-20 God gave to Israel the title deed to the land, still in effect.

Davidic covenant-Unconditional 2 Sam.7:4-17 seed of David. 1 Chron. 17 : 10-1,4 still in effect.

New covenant – Jer.31:31 - Karnei Diatheke the last will and testament. based on the blood of Christ .The revelation of the holiness of God in the righteous son who empowers those who receive him to become sons of God Jn.1:12 Heb.8:7 Gal.3:19 ‘until the seed should come’ which is Christ.


626 posted on 02/17/2014 12:00:47 PM PST by caww
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