Seldom I differ with Fred, but . . . .
I don't think he is three (I think he is only about two) when he is sitting on the fence with Stanley holding him purportedly at the Hawaii zoo.
The term "see him" I understand to include "read or hear about him in the same place"; but I tend to view the Video interview and the Chicago Newspaper rendition of the interview with Susan [Botkin] Blake as accurate to the extent she is saying she saw Stanley and Barry together in mid August of 1961 on Mercer Island at Seattle.
I also take the fact that we don't see either one of them anywhere on the record between August of 61 and March of 1963 as at least suggesting that they might have been together--Barry tells us in Dreams quoting Stanley that she was an Au Pair (glorified babysitter) in that period so I read that as leading to the proposition that Stanley was somewhere taking care of Barry.
She was moving in the direction of going to college when she enrolled as an entering Freshman at U of Hawaii in March of 63 and thereafter you don't see the two of them together again for a number of years or even read in print that they were in the same place until August or September of 1967 in Jakarta when Stanley had (according to Lia) gone somewhere to pick him up and bring him to join Lia and Lolo in Jakarta where he enrolled in school.
Why not? It's a sport, come on in.
I don't think he is three (I think he is only about two) when he is sitting on the fence with Stanley holding him purportedly at the Hawaii zoo.
Yes, I do think you're right. The photographs we see of him from Hawaii during that period cover about one year, so between two to three, he seems to have been there...
The term "see him" I understand to include "read or hear about him in the same place"; but I tend to view the Video interview and the Chicago Newspaper rendition of the interview with Susan [Botkin] Blake as accurate to the extent she is saying she saw Stanley and Barry together in mid August of 1961 on Mercer Island at Seattle.
my bad, I started out meaning "see him" to be seeing his physical presence in a photograph, then got carried away and included the name on a suspicious memo supposedly written by an INS employee on August 31, 1961.
As for Susan Blake, there's nothing "see him" there, she looks like she's reading from a script held up in front of her nose; we didn't know about teleprompters then...so the question of whom she might have seen and when has to remain open. The only really interesting statement she made was that Stanley Ann told her she was going to Boston that very same day. Who the heck did she know in Boston, in August 1961? What few seconds remain of that video tell us nothing.
I also take the fact that we don't see either one of them anywhere on the record between August of 61 and March of 1963 as at least suggesting that they might have been together--Barry tells us in Dreams quoting Stanley that she was an Au Pair (glorified babysitter) in that period so I read that as leading to the proposition that Stanley was somewhere taking care of Barry.
or that she had delivered the child to someone in Boston and had returned to where she was living, in Chicago with her Uncle Charles, in Hyde Park. There used to be a map which showed all the important characters in this story, and their close proximity to each other. We might need to find it and add Charles Payne.
She was moving in the direction of going to college when she enrolled as an entering Freshman at U of Hawaii in March of 63 and thereafter you don't see the two of them together again for a number of years or even read in print that they were in the same place until August or September of 1967 in Jakarta when Stanley had (according to Lia) gone somewhere to pick him up and bring him to join Lia and Lolo in Jakarta where he enrolled in school
Two years after Lia came to live with Lolo and Stanley Ann, which makes for a 1965 arrival in Indonesia, and a whole lot closer to the 'I was two years old when I went to Indonesia' that he apparently claimed in an interview whilst he was at Harvard.
I think I made a muck of that one, Lia was living with Lolo and SAD in Indonesia for two year before Stanley Ann went somewhere to pick up a brother for her in 1957...that places Stanley Ann in Indonesia in around 1965, and July 1965 is the first passport application we are shown.
Any passport records prior, have been destroyed, according to correspondence on the subject. Just when zero went to Indonesia and where he was living before he came to her household is unknown. And we can't ask LIA, she died suddenly.