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The Terrible Truth About Abraham Lincoln and the Confederate War
Snap Out of it, America! ^ | 1/20/14 | Michael Hutcheson

Posted on 01/20/2014 1:42:16 PM PST by mhutcheson

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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Um...no.


61 posted on 01/20/2014 2:19:24 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: Resolute Conservative

Well if Barky and his merry band of commies keep it up much longer you amy see a new secession. Bigger and stronger next time around. :-)


62 posted on 01/20/2014 2:20:56 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

The North provoked the attack. Look it up if you dare to challenge your ignorance.


63 posted on 01/20/2014 2:21:05 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: qam1

Most countries’ governments bought the legally owned slaves as a part of forced abolition instead of stealing them.


64 posted on 01/20/2014 2:21:13 PM PST by anton
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To: mhutcheson

Lincoln and other Union politicians were willing to make big concessions to avoid war. But Big Cotton wanted its own nation and to expand slavery and the new nation into new territory.

The status quo wasn’t good enough for the greed of the South.


65 posted on 01/20/2014 2:21:51 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: pgkdan

“The South wasn’t looking to overtake the North, all they wanted was their legal right to secede.”

Even if we can all accept that proposition... and I mean that sincerely... you still have to “divide the baby”. Things like freedom to navigate the Mississippi/Missouri/Ohio Rivers? How do you go about doing that when the Confederacy owns the exit to the sea? Then there is the question of the Southwest which the Federal Army occupied, but the Confederacy had designs upon?

I didn’t even touch on Slavery directly, but those two things right there would be enough to create a war between any sovereign neighbors of the period.


66 posted on 01/20/2014 2:21:53 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: Georgia Girl 2

What a wonderful delusion!


67 posted on 01/20/2014 2:22:49 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The south was not without fault. Neither side was a pure as the driven snow, and in the south’s case the whole lavery thing certainly adds a hearty helping of mud to the mix.


68 posted on 01/20/2014 2:23:20 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Here's a quote from Confederate North Carolina governor Zebulon Vance which suggests that the Confederate experiment was more a cheap political power grab than an admirable reaction of an oppressed people:

"….I have always believed, that the great popular heart is not now, and never has been in this war. It was a revolution of the Politicians; not the People."

69 posted on 01/20/2014 2:23:43 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: anton
I am a Southerner, but I doubt the world would have been a better place had the Union aggression ceased and left the South intact.

Slavery would have ended, like every where else in the civilized world, but upward mobility was severely limited in Southern society. I thought we had a pretty good country after the Civil War, up until about 20 years ago when we lost our free and independent media, War on Poverty and Hollywood s-canned the culture, etc.

70 posted on 01/20/2014 2:25:55 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: mhutcheson
"The south only wished to be let alone..."

That, and to conquer Cuba and parts of south America.

71 posted on 01/20/2014 2:26:21 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Thanks for the resource, but some of those battles weren’t between Confederate and Union forces at all. Particularly the two battles listed in Minnesota.


72 posted on 01/20/2014 2:26:37 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Timmy

What issue was settled? Might makes right?


73 posted on 01/20/2014 2:27:24 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Lincoln’s dishonesty toward reinforcing Sumter was the start. Major Anderson was being provided food and sustenance by Beauregard. There were no casualties inflicted by the bombardment of Sumter. The casualties occurred when one of Major Anderson’s cannon blew up as they were firing an honorary salute to the Confederates after the fort was surrendered. Anderson’s men were tended to and fed well since the North didn’t take care of them. Lincoln manipulated and forced the South’s hand as they had turned over dozens of installations in the South without nary a peep. Sumter was in the South. Any historian can tell you the facts about Sumter.


74 posted on 01/20/2014 2:27:48 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: mhutcheson
Oh lord, not this "wawuh of Northrun aggreshun" crap again. History is written by the victors.

CC

75 posted on 01/20/2014 2:28:18 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: pgkdan
Um...no.

Sumter?

76 posted on 01/20/2014 2:28:42 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yes, it seems to include any battle fought during the period including Indian battles.


77 posted on 01/20/2014 2:28:50 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Kansas58

BTW, it was the so-called free states that forced the compromise that slaves would count only 3/5 of a person because they didn’t want southern states to have more representation.


78 posted on 01/20/2014 2:28:57 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Tens of thousands of Southern men, women and children---civilians---white and black, slave and free alike---were shot, hanged, raped, imprisoned without trial, their homes, lands and possessions stolen, pillaged and burned, in one of the most horrific and brutal genocides ever inflicted upon a people anywhere;

I know this statement to be true. My great-grandfather, a Confederate soldier, left written documents handed down to me were he writes that his cousin, a civilian doctor in what is now West Virginia, had his brains blown out by Yankee soldiers for tending to wounded Confederate soldiers and his own 80 year-old father has his house and business burned to the ground by the same soldiers.

79 posted on 01/20/2014 2:29:44 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Bobalu; Partisan Gunslinger
United States Revenue and Federal Spending in the 1850s

Since practically the entire revenue each year of the government was derived from tariffs on imported goods, maintaining the export of US goods was absolutely vital to the operation of the country.

The total income of the Treasury for 1857 was $68,900,000. The portion of Treasury income from tariffs was $63,800,000. The Treasury spent $67,700,000 for the calendar year. The normal expenditures of the Government for operation of the government, the army and navy, interest on public debt, and pensions were $35,400,000. Therefore, discretionary treasury spending, authorized by Congress was almost double the normal operation of the government.

Congressional discretionary spending continued to soar. Financed by increasing public debt, the government increased the debt of the country by 43%, due to its inability to control spending.

The entire system was vulnerable. Money from the sale of cotton and tobacco in overseas markets bought goods that were then imported. In 1858, Tariffs from the sale of these goods produced 65% of the revenue of the entire treasury. The value of raw cotton sold to Northern mills, which was then finished and sent in trade to Europe accounted for another 5% of the value of imports. Thus, the treasury was not only totally dependent upon tariffs, but largely tariffs on goods purchased with money earned from the sale of Southern exports.

As the recession of 1857 deepened, Northeastern financiers and overseas bankers doubled the interest rate they required for purchase of the government’s treasury notes. The rate rose to an unprecedented 12%. The bankers also required of a pledge of government owned land as collateral. This pledge had never been required, and demonstrated the precarious financial condition of the US Treasury.

80 posted on 01/20/2014 2:30:24 PM PST by PeaRidge
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