Posted on 01/20/2014 1:42:16 PM PST by mhutcheson
You mean the blacks in the North voted Republican. In the solid Democrat South, they weren't even allowed to vote.
Your knowledge of events is lacking.
Lincoln did not go into office hoping to free slaves (and by the way at that point in time, all slave states were considered 'Southern -- MO. KY, MD, & DL)
He did not even think it was possible to end slavery other than over decades, via compensated emancipapion.
Everyone understood that it would would have taken a constitutional amendment ratified by 3/4 of the states to end it and in 1860, that was beyond the realm of possibility when 15 of the 37 states had slavery. (Even today with 50 states, if 15 favored slavery, you could not pass that amendment.
Lincoln's only campaign promise in 1860 was to prevent the further spread of slavery into the Western territories. He stated in his first inaugural address that he had no intention to change slavery where it currently existed, but he would use his power to prevent it's expansion to future states. His belief, right or wrong, was that if the institution were isolated where it currently existed, it would eventually die on its own weight.
Then came the War, which changed everything, which war always does. You must understand, as Lincoln did, that the Emancipation Proclamation did not end slavery, even in the "South". It was strictly an executive order issued by the Commander in Chief at a time of war to the military to confiscated the 'property' of hostile opponents to be disposed with as the executive decided. His decision was freedom for those individuals.
He had no authority to enforce that order in states that were not at war with the United States (KY, MO, MD, and DL) It only applied to States or parts of states that were still in rebellion. And the order did not end the legality of slavery in those areas. For all intents and purposes, slavery was still legal there, just not for the individual slaves that had been 'confiscated and freed by ececutive order.'
It took the 13th amendment to the Constitution to legally end slavery in the United States, and Lincoln supported that.
When considered, the South itself caused the early end to slavery in the United States by resorting to rebellion and war. Without that rebellion, slavery in the United States would have continued long past 1865.
“Your knowledge of events is lacking.”
Your knowledge of what I said is lacking. I am fully aware of the events. Too bad your reading comprehension sucks. It would have saved you a lot of typing.
Very true. The North had a quandary in that it wanted to control the golden goose but the goose was getting loose.
Fort Sumpter, in the middle of Charleston harbor, was the biggest Federal boondoggle project ever attempted to that point. It was millions of dollars over 30 years, all at the insistance of John C. Calhoon, that anti-internal improvments Senator from South Carolina.
It is truly ironic that the war broke out over that man-made island and the Lost Causers blame the "Yankees" for stealing all their money.
Wow cousin irony is never lost on you. You support states rights as once related to slavery, right? Funny but that was one of the platforms of the “Dixiecrats’’, The States Rights Party which broke away from the main Democrat Party in 1948.
The answer to that is no.
But on the flip side, if Jeff Davis had not fired on Sumter, his little Cotton States republic would have collapsed under its own incompent weight in a few months. The people of those states would have come to their senses after a while.
Davis needed a shooting war to move the Upper South, especially Virginia, off the spot, and firing on Sumter, forcing Lincoln to respond was the only reason Virginia, sided with them.
First shots not necessarily cannon or rifle.
Its obviously very hard for you to put aside your skewed assumptions and do more than pretend to read history.
Have a good evening my FRiend.
Ok, this post proves you are liberal and an idiot. I knew it already but now it is confirmed, blacks "weren't allowed" to vote in the South? Right. Heck I'll bet there a secret plantations with slaves on them right now and charlies Angels are looking into it. When you drop your cartoon image of history you can play with the big boys again.
“But you don’t hate slavery?”
Yes, I do. But, you do realize, I assume, that slavery — evil that it was and still is — was legal in the United States up until 1865. That being said, I would have vigorously opposed another country invading us to abolish slavery.
So in your imagination, post reconstruction Jim Crow laws that blocked blacks from voting never existed? Is that what you are saying?
Truth.
“Was the south taxed or tariffed(sic)?...No they weren't.
I never said that. Look back and see for yourself.
"They opposed the high tariff on foreign goods and got their way to have it lowered in the 1850s.”
So, I reply again, ....is your knowledge limited to the 1850s?
What happened in 1859-61 regarding the tariffs? Do you actually think that they stayed the same as the 1850s?
I don’t wish to see The Won assassinated.
I wish to see him impeached, convicted and removed from office, tried for treason, convicted and hanged.
After his crack to Medvedev about “having more flexibility after the election”, this should have happened.
Instead he was reelected.
Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."
How has Obama committed treason?
Well, there’s that crack to Medvedev about having more flexibility after the election.
Since it was whispered, he clearly didn’t want anyone else (except Putin) to know about it, especially the American people.
And then there’s that whole Arab Spring/Muslim Brotherhood thing, which clearly falls into the category of adhering to our enemies.
How’s that for a start?
They did leave. They just couldn't help themselves by firing on Sumter.
There was no levy or tariff on the south.
The North had several legitimate economic problems with the South seceding beyond moving from a recipient of tariffs to a payer of tariffs.
The tariff was on foreign goods.
The Congress gave them what they wanted on the tariff issue in the early 1850s.
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