Posted on 01/01/2014 7:18:16 PM PST by hecht
You know.... having put this into words and thinking bout what I actually wrote, I think I ‘get it’ with Hendrix a bit more than I did before. Something clicked, but I’m not really sure what. Don’t fedex the bell bottoms yet Windy, but the Raybans are a possibility ;)
You know, some of Lombardo’s earliest recordings, including his first session in 1924 for the little Gennett label out of Richmond, Indiana, are actually kinda surprisingly... jazzy.
Did you just give one of his tunes a listen with fresh ears? I'd be interested to know what just fell into place for you, and why.
Who knows why an artist's work 'speaks' to certain people? It's a mystery. All I know, is that the very first time I heard Hendrix, it made total sense to me. It was like someone was finally speaking my language.
I have mastered the art of weasel: Some of my best friends are Jews. I am not nostalgic for the 1960s music, but...
Let’s compare. How do female vocalists Shannon Mcnally, Nicki Bluhm, Eilen Jewell, vocalists that the complainers have never bothered to “discover”, compare to the vulgar Janis Joplin, fine Mama Cass and the limited Linda Ronstadt (all names picked out of a hat. I could have picked Tina Turner whose best years, those with Ike, where long behind her when you heard ‘Proud Mary’). I think they and many other contemporary female vocalists compare favorably. I think the first two are the new Dusty Springfields, and the third one can compete with Wanda Jackson’s best.
Why should popular music be worse than during your time, grandpa? The musicians are not only better fed and as well educated (musically!), but have the benefit of having heard all that has gone before them. Sallie Ford rules, man! Jimmy H. is dead, and so is the ever overrated Gram Parsons. Check in your Woodstock T-shirt and your nostalgia, fool, or risk looking like a fool!
Nope. no new listens. I was just rereading our posts and ‘something’ in my lizard brain started thinking about how I had been ‘thinking about’ his playing. I think it was how. you replied to my description for feel and all the little things he does. We said pretty much the same thing in a slightly different way but ‘something’ God knows what, clicked/opened up/whatever.
I think, because of my Vai fetish, I have been looking at JH as an object that is different than the object I’m used to and it seems foreign to how I process things (guitar/playing wise). Again, Dunno if that makes sense. Hard to explain it.
I know some yoots, they are dumb even when they get “good grades” the indoctrination centers. They will literally listen to the same song over and over for hours.
It is quite disturbing.
Well, Joplin is a howler monkey so I wouldnt call what she does singing ;) But for me, an 80s kid, I had Amiee Man, Kim Wilde, Lita Ford, Kate Bush, Belinda Carlisle and a bunch of others to compare the current crop of schlock to, (not your good singer examples, I’m talking mainstream) And say what you will (not you personally, just a generalization) about Til’ Tuesday, The Go-Gos or Wilde, they were very good vocalists.
We don’t have (major) disagreements, I just keep repeating that due to the changes in the music industry, which were not necessarily caused by digitization of recordings, but mostly by changes in marketing, we cannot fairly compare the mainstream of yesterday to mainstream today, with Nashville the clearest example, when so much great stuff is available now outside of the commercial and obscenely commercialized mainstream.
As far as good modern/mainstream, here’s one I’d put up against any of the greats at this point in her career (female vocalist)
Lizzy Hale/Halestorm. It’s like combining the best of Benetar and Joan Jett.
Innocence - live version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmAkv-pIdkI
I just hope, however it happens, we can all get good music one way or another. There is nothing that would stop any modern band from being the ‘best thing ever’ and in fact, much to get them there.
I just hope to hear it soon ;)
the artists - good or bad at Woodstock- sang, played instruments and largely wrote their songs.
they weren’t androgynous pretty faces with no talent compensated by auto-tuning and lip-synching
You are right and I posted links to artists who do the same as those Woodstock artists, do it as well or much better, and who cares if they are not on MTV or Clear Channel? Don’t judge by what’s on Mickey D’s menu, judge by what’s available to eat everywhere out there!
These jazzy tunes are on Columbia.
Singin' in the Bathtub (1929)
The Cannonball (1928)
I think “Cannonball” is the tune “Cannonball Rag,” also done by Ben Bernie’s band (and probably several others) that year. The Columbia item that most people seem familiar with is “Waitin’ for Katy,” which is a pretty nice little 20s ditty/recording, quite reflective of its era. The band doesn’t have the sharp bite of Jan Garber or Ted Weems, but it delivers the goods for couples wanting to fox-trot, courtesy their Victrolas in their cozy little dens.
Of the 1924 Gennett offerings, I think the old standard “Mama’s Gone, Goodbye” might be the best.
Always a nice tune, that everyone does good by. That’s the recording I know. Even better is the version recorded on Victor that same year (1924) by the actual author of the tune, A.J. Piron and his band, a New Orleans group. Later versions tend to get peppier and pick up the pace of the tune, which is often the case.
You got a cool brain, my man. That's very interesting.
When you get a minute, here's an obscure Hendrix track that really showcases Jimi's extraordinary talent. Just him in the studio (one pass), playing the basic riffs to the tune, 'Electric Ladyland':
Speaking of 90’s, Liz Phair has apparently held up pretty well, she was a favorite of mine at the time. From three years ago at The Paradise in Boston, “Johnny Feelgood.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoqQrwu5j0s
Yes, yes, yes!! I'm a few years older than you, and it has been an avocation of mine to wean my boomer friends and relatives off that addiction to the oldies channel.
See my post 222 above.
I'm going to start a thread next week about 21st century artists who are worth discovering. May I ping you??
From the winter of '72:
Carnival in Rio--Heino
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