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1 posted on 12/19/2013 9:01:19 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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Its not important WHO votes, but WHO COUNTS the votes.


2 posted on 12/19/2013 9:05:33 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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I agree. The GOOBers have been convinced by their DemocRAT masters that THEY need to pass amnesty to take the heat off of the ‘RATS. These “rebranded” GOOBers are in for a big shock in 2014. They might as well start working on finding a new job right now.


3 posted on 12/19/2013 9:07:10 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all my fellow Americans. "Whatever" to everybody else!)
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If the GOPe passes an amnesty, the Dems will take control of the House and retain the Senate. The GOP’s slavish obedience to their corporate paymasters will help spawn a third party.


6 posted on 12/19/2013 9:10:05 AM PST by kabar
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Totally agree. If they do amnesty all bets are off.


8 posted on 12/19/2013 9:18:27 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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RE :”Those who followed last year’s election know the polls showed good things were coming until the pollsters finally figured out they were talking to the wrong people. When Rasmussen effectively searched out those who had not been previously surveyed Mitt Romney’s side collapsed.”

Another history revision.

Most polls showed Romney losing and the GOP diehards clung to one or two flawed ones that didnt.

Rush helped in that, he told his followers that all the polls showing Romney losing were wrong and hthat e saw a Romney landslide coming. (Landslide on top of Romney's head maybe)
And naturally a Rush-bot shuts down his brain and accepts anything Rush tells them

Dems will take a beating next November.

9 posted on 12/19/2013 9:19:10 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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Amenesty is the means to water down conservatives influence. So both party establishments are for it.


14 posted on 12/19/2013 9:26:31 AM PST by cotton1706
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The only problem I see here is the one I’ve seen in every election since joining Free Republic. Namely, Freepers and the base are divided, and the DNC, the GOPe, and the Media are very skilled at playing on those divisions.

There are the fiscal conservatives, the social conservatives, and the libertarians. They overlap, but they also divide. Last time, for instance, Rick Santorum came closest to beating out Romney, but the base kept listening to the damned media liars, including Drudge and Ann, and so Newt split the vote before exploding in old scandals that were familiar enough to those who knew him.

I don’t think there’s any chance of saving the GOP. We need a new party. But although the Tea Party can help, it’s not a party in itself. We need a strong, uniting leader.

Sarah Palin is the obvious choice. But too many Freepers and others in the base will dismiss her and go for someone else. Ted Cruz? He’s been good in his current role, but I don’t think he has it in him to be President. And, despite the Cato Institute, he is not a Natural Born Citizen, like it or not.

Sarah stepped aside last time. I don’t know what would have happened if she had gone the other way. I don’t know if she could become a viable candidate now, with all the media and many libertarians against her. But she’s the only one in sight with the leadership experience, campaigning power, and firm moral underpinnings and refusal to put self-interest first.

Cruz has a lot of fans. But I didn’t like the way he put on that strong performance on the floor and then dropped out and only gave a polite smile when the GOP leadership folded. Not a good sign, IMHO, of how he would act when the going got really tough and he had to confront the corruption in his own party. Sarah, on the other hand, has a strong record of dealing with Republican as well as Democrat corruption when that became necessary.


16 posted on 12/19/2013 9:40:05 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Soon I'll have you all legal and voting for democrats.
17 posted on 12/19/2013 9:50:01 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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