[CynicalBear]

Surely that’s not the verse you use to show that God ordained Christmas. So would you also say that God made the gods the pagans served?

>> Can you show me where we make something up apart from God?<<

I think you need to re evaluate you concept of “made”.

[metmom]

Well, now, you know, if God is sovereign in the ultra Calvinist way, ........

[HarleyD]

So would you also say that God made the gods the pagans served?

Remember-you're talking to a Reformer. So, yes, God made the gods the pagans served. God gave them up to their lust...

There is nothing that was made that He did not make. That is what John states very clear. It is against God to think that we create things apart from Him and His inspiration.