No such animal
Posted on 12/07/2013 6:41:36 AM PST by IbJensen
The sharia…soft jihad against the West stealthily creeping its way into the fabric of our American society with its repressive laws and lack of freedoms. The sharia…the antithesis of everything our Constitution and Bill of Rights expounds. The sharia brings to the forefront the question…are there really any moderate muslims?
My answer to that question is a simple NO.
Islam…the supposed ‘religion of peace’ is anything but for if one is a follower of islam one takes the words of the qur’an to heart as the words of god (little ‘g’ for allah is a false god and NOT the one true living God of we Christians and Jews), and lives those words as allah commands. And as allah commands means at least 109 verses that tell the followers of islam…the muslims…in NO uncertain terms to kill the infidels…meaning us…with few words…few verses that tolerate or accept non-believers.
The concepts of humiliation and denigration runs rampant within the qur’an’s verses leaving non-believers to either convert or die…it really does all boil down to that. So if one truly follows islam and the words of the qur’an one simply cannot be a ‘moderate’ muslim for moderate views do NOT call for the death of those who do NOT follow their ways.
The qur’an can be summed up in this one verse, Sura 9.5:“So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
In other words, convert or die…NOT moderation by any means.
And while some muslims in this country claim to be ‘secular’ or ‘moderate’ that concept is really non-existent for one cannot be secular and embrace Western culture and be a muslim embracing the qur’an’s words to kill the infidels at the same time. Western culture separates organized religion from matters of state, while islam is all about control over every aspect of one’s life…from how one conducts oneself in terms of one’s religious life to how one is adjudicated punishment if one breaks the law. And here is where the sharia comes in as more and more supposed ‘moderate’ muslim communities across the US are embracing said sharia as their governance of choice.
And how can ‘moderate’ muslims truly exist in any form when on 9/11 so-called ‘moderates’ were celebrating the deaths of 3000 Americans by dancing in the streets all across America. And those who did NOT outwardly celebrate remained silent in their condemnation of those that did. Silence can and does speak louder than words and in the so-called ‘moderate’s’ silence then…and their continuing silence now…that silence speaks of condoning for if one does NOT vocally condemn one does indeed condone. And even today when an act of jihad does occur those supposed ‘moderate’ voices still remain silent. The silence of ‘moderate’ voices over Benghazi and the Boston Marathon Bombing are but two cases in point, as it sadly seems that the only thing keeping those who call themselves ‘moderates’ from outwardly supporting the jihadis is fear, and the fact that they are but a small minority of the American populace.
And that mindset must be changed above all else for silence against the jihadis will forever cast those who call themselves ‘moderates’ as outsiders…and rightly so.
The muslim countries, specifically those in the Middle East, show NO signs of secularism nor any signs of moderation…as islam continues to wrap its tentacles around every miniscule detail of its followers lives until it figuratively and sometimes literally squeezes the very life out of one’s body.
Here in America the outward signs might NOT be so obvious to the casual observer as muslims might work alongside us…send their children to our schools…go shopping in our stores…dress somewhat like us (the hajib ‘head bag’ and burqa ‘garbage bag’ do rear their ugly head on more and more occasions it seems) yet even those who call themselves ‘moderates’ want special allowances made for them just to call attention to themselves. Using attention seeking as a way to promote islam…as in do every and anything including lying and living falsely (taqiyya) to promote and integrate islam into our society…to take over our society…the so-called ‘moderates’ are actually following the commands set down in the qur’an and therefore are NOT ‘moderates’ at all.
In muslim society, even muslim society here in America’s muslim communities, individual freedoms continue to get lost amongst both the arbitrarily adjudicated rules of the sharia and the strict commands of the qur’an, while the traditions and worship practices that define religiousness will continue to keep muslims living here from ever becoming true ‘moderates’ in any sense of the word that we view moderate anything as being.
American society…both culturally, religiously, and politically…must NEVER accept the false concept of a ‘moderate’ muslim let alone a ‘moderate’ muslim society until those who call themselves ‘moderates’ stand up en-masse and shout in loud and clear voices their condemnation of the jihadis…of the extremists…of the mullahs and imams who spread hate and perpetrate violence…and who then must shout in those same loud and clear voices their love for and allegiance to America…to our Constitution…and to America’s rules of law alone.
And so while Barack HUSSEIN Obama (I will NOT call him president) continues to claim that “the United States is a Muslim nation” we know the truth in that lie as well as we know the truth that a ‘moderate’ muslim is a non-existent, politically correct fabrication of the left and probably will always remain so.
Get them all out of this nation which, with the phony president at the helm, is sinking fast.
In sub Saharan Africa wherever Muslims and Christians live in close proximity, there is bloody conflict. In North Africa even though there are few Christians, they are not tolerated and there is no peace between Western oriented secularists and Muslims. Historic migrations are continuing into Europe and North America. Someday the Israeli-Arab conflict may be viewed as a minor sideshow in this monumental struggle.
M4L
No such animal
Stop Jihad Now!
Kick out all the muslims and stop the muslum recruiting program in the prisons!
If I said what I feel about muslims and think about islam, on this thread, I’d get zapped. So, I’ll *self-censor* myself.
They do exist; in Islam they are known as apostates, as worthy of death as us Infidels.
bkmk
We are not a Christian nation either. Our culture doesn't bare witness. And before I get jumped on, Jesus set the standard, not me.
Moderate Muslims are like ghosts and Bigfoot..much talked about but never any real evidence that they exist.
Thus is it perfectly legal in a muslim`s mind to cheat, kill, steal, rape, lie, ... what did I leave out?
Moses is a prophet revered by Islam.
I agree that there are a lot of idiots in Islam. But I just came back from Saudi Arabia in July, where I had lived for over 5 years. And I can state with absolute certainty, from personal experience, that the cluelessness on this thread approaches that of our esteemed president
Hump a camel?
no ten commandments there in Saudi
but they stone women and rape,
kill Christians [Filipinas]if they do not like them and
throw them into prisons there [British tourists]..
Someone has been living in lala land and it ain`t me.
Afghanistan govt wants to stone women too
cf http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/shariah-usul-al-fiqh/punishment-theft-quran-2114
which is a bunch of Islamic propaganda
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Right on! One of the fruits illegitimately occupies the White Hut. He's not only a fruit cake, he's an alien who's probably here illegally.
“There is no such thing as moderate Islam. There is only Islam” Former President of Eqypt.
There ARE moderate, rational Muslims. I work overseas and many of my coworkers re Muslim.
I have yet to meet one that thinks all Westerners or “infidels” need to die. On occasion, I have spoken with these fine men about the Jihad and Islamization of the West and no one of them think that Islam should be forced on us.
They all to a man say that to publicly express their opinions of this would be a death sentence to them.
The Koran contains the Books of Moses (although they are somewhat different from tha accepted Christian canon).
Yes there are stonings, rape and murder, but none that is condoned by the government. Also, there are only about 200 murders a year in all of Saudia. How does that compare to LA.? Rapes are rare enough, that it is major news when it happens there. Honor killings happen, but in the 5 years I was there, I only heard of one being committed.
Typically, governmental punishment of crimes over there consists of imprisonment, whipping or (in the case of capital crimes) beheading. Oh yes. The most common one is banishment.
Why were the British tourists thrown intor prison? Firstly, the story sounds kind of fishy, because Saudia doesn’t have a tourist industry. Thy do have visas for Muslims going to Hajj or Umrah and they have business visas and they do let relatives of foreigners visit, but that is,about it, except those who qualify for the Iquama foe work purposes.
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