Posted on 11/20/2013 6:41:01 PM PST by annalex
So much is explained in that one sentence – although I’ll make a giant leap and assume that you meant to write “served” as opposed to “severed” (of course he would have done better to have severed with those Stalinist criminals than to have served with them.) No biggie – internet forum misspellings are common.
Your English teacher evidently was not very punctual for muster- he served 40 years ago; the brigades disbanded in 1938.
Go back and read your own words. What I saw was you inferring moral equivalence.
My words and my reading are fine; I’m not handicapped by having endured a washed up Stalinist force-feeding me communist lies while he was supposed to be teaching vital English-language concepts like sentence diagramming, critical thinking, and irony.
The Spanish Civil War was a war of………………… come close to that
I also learned to avoid run on sentences and to focus my arguments without attacking straw men.
I’m not losing badly on any facts.
Just because you didn’t wake up to hear the referee count to ten doesn’t mean you’re still in the match.
Franco was a thug. He invited Hitler to send him the Condor Legion to bomb and kill his own people. > That’s a fact.
Franco accepted help from whomever he could get it, to fight Soviet troops and tanks spearheading the forces of an enemy of mass-murderers. That's just one of a number facts that are dealing you a beat down.
He repaid that help by sending The Blue Division to Russia to fight and die for Adolph Hitler.
Wrong again. The Blue Division was a division scraped together of individual Spaniards who wanted to fight the Soviets (people from almost every nation in Europe also volunteered, most especially Holland and France.) They weren’t signing up to die for Hitler; they hated the Soviet murderers who had killed so many in their own county.
Full disclosure: this is from one of you posts to another Freeper: Can't say that entirely. He sent soldiers to fight for Hitler, though only a few thousand meant a few thousand extra SS killers freed up to work on eliminating the Jews.
Again, this probably a result of the Soviet brainwashing you got from Comrade Marti in place of actual English instruction; other nations (Finland, Netherlands, etc.) formed actual divisions of SS. That has nothing to do with Blue Division.
And in my neck of the woods ‘’pal’’necessarily mean what you think it does.
Again so sad; irony is such a critical language concept for you to have missed.
have a nice night
Thanks, I did!
Some, yes. The war was against the international communist/masonic/anarchist Left. That there had been some among the Republicans, or even some among the interventionists not of Spanish origin, who meant no ill for Spain, that is possible; this is why I called them useful idiots of the left. They wanted something could not have and at the time should not have: a republican form of government. Given the international crisis of government, that in case of Spain and Greece is all self-inflicted by joining the EU, we probably should conclude that Spain and Greece should not have a republican form of government today.
Also, believe it or not, the Second Worlds War was only in the very small portion a war to "eliminate the Jews". Stalin had a formidable war machine that required real men to fight, and it was a good purpose to root out communism in Russia. It was not morally wrong for many nations to send help to Germany; Franco was among them. There were also French, Belgians, Russians helping the Wehrmacht in that effort. But sending the Blue Brigade to the East front did not mean entangling Spain in the war.
As Castlebar’s excellent posts shows, most every nation of Europe sent a volunteer brigade to Wehrmacht: I mentioned the French, the Belgians and the Russians, and he — the Dutch and the Finns. That is in addition to Italians and the Romanians, who were formal allies.
The anti-communist aspect of the Axis war aims is now almost entirely covered out of sight by the liberal propaganda machine, and replaced with the anti-semitic aspect.
The ‘’formidable Russian war machine’’? Are you kidding? By the time of the 1939-40 Russo-Finnish War, ‘’The Winter War’’ as it was called Stalins purges had so weakened, terrorized and demoralized The Red Army to the point of stupefaction. Not to mention it’s abysmal failure in the border battles in Manchuria against the Japanese in 1936. Three of the five top generals who constituted the general staff had been executed. Had the Germans not invaded in June of’41 the two surviving generals would also have been killed. Thousands of middle rank officers were either dead, in the gulags or were so cowed as to not even open their mouth. ‘’The Boss knows best’’ went the refrain in The Red Army at the time. The Second World War was only in the very small portion a war to ‘’eliminate the Jews’’? The blue blazes it wasn’t! It was the justification, among others, that Hitler used to launch his mad scheme. Listen dude, the last half of your post here has revealed to me you’re a Nazi sympathizer. I’m done talking to you. Piss off.
That’s the irony in it dude.(in re; ‘’pal’’) It’s sarcasm.
Of course I sympathize with the anti-Communist aspect of the German effort, and with the heroic volunteers of all nations that signed up for it, regardless of the revenge that the victors effected. That doesn't mean that I want to minimize, certainly not justify, the war crimes on any side, and on the German side there were plenty.
I would, however, wish that a trial similar to the Nuremberg Trial that condemned the Nazi war crimes, had been conducted with respect to the murderers on the Communist side.
Piss off
I also would wish that my opponents were people of better intellectual caliber, -- but where would they come from?
You are without a doubt one of, if not, the most repulsive pieces of crap I have ever encountered on the internet. “Intellectual caliber’’? You haven’t the brains or the intellect God gave a curbstone.
QED.
Quod erat demonstrandum to you too bakatari.
You are Japanese?
So Stalin joined the Axis to fight communism, and Hitler, Tiso, Tojo and Mussolini accepted him because...?
Do you think Spain would have been better off if the communists had won?
I don’t
Spain isn’t doing too good now, is it? Didn’t do all that great under Franco either. The guy was a thug. And what is it with this worship of this bum? What’s next here on FR., the Augusto Pinochet Fan Club?
Hey, I’m done with you gobshite.
You mean in 1939? Right, that was the pivot for Germany which allowed both Germany and the Soviet Union to jointly invade and divide Poland. It was a temporary, non-ideological alliance for both sides, and it ruptured in 1941.
Where do I sign up?
Hitler had a way of doing that to his friends.
For example, he was pointedly indifferent to the rampant homosexuality in his followers’ ranks, until he saw fit to get rid of his dear friend and head of internal discipline, Ernst Rohm, himself a flaming pooftah. Then suddenly homosexuality became a sign of untermenscheit. His erstwhile acceptance of homosexuals was also non-ideological, as was his later condemnation of them to the gas chambers.
So, too, with the USSR. His alliance with Stalin was non-ideological, as was his later invasion of Russia. Ideologically, the NSDP’s 25-point platform had more in common with communism than against it. Fascism’s ideological kinship with communism was really what attracted Ezra Pound to it, as you’d know from reading his Cantos. He invaded the USSR because he wanted to conquer the world, and knew that Stalin was also so inclined. Pan Germanism and Pan Proletarianism are merely two species of the same family, as is Pan Africanism, Pan Islamism, and Pan Arabism. The only difference is who the putative world conqueror is.
And I have no doubt that Hitler, with his newly-minted hatred of communism, attracted a lot of ideological volunteers from different countries to help fight against Stalin, just as the Left’s newly-minted anti-fascism attracted a lot of ideological volunteers to Spain.
Speaking of Spain, Hitler and secretly Stalin were both supplying the fascists with ordnance and war toys. Likewise, Hitler turned a blind eye to Stalin’s Finnish adventures, pursuant to the non-aggression pact. Neither of them had any ideological friends or enemies. It was all Machiavellian calculations in all instances.
Spain was screwed regardless. It’s what happens to former major world powers when they decline, but remain in occupancy of strategically important real estate that they can’t defend. The new dogs in town make a play for it, and all they can do is watch and suffer.
I generally agree with you: Hitler was a mistaken bet by all the anti-Communists of the time. However, for reasons pointed out in this thread, Franco stands our and distinct as a true national leader; significantly, his leadership both preceded and outlived the Nazi madness.
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