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Greenfield: The Conspiracy Theory is the Conspiracy
Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog ^ | Tuesday, November 19, 2013 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 11/19/2013 10:46:50 AM PST by Louis Foxwell

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To: boop

Oh, so let me see if I have your theory correct then - not only was Oswald not a communist, but he also wasn’t the book depository shooter?


21 posted on 11/19/2013 1:31:30 PM PST by Nahhh I Dont Think So
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To: ifinnegan
Why do you say that, x?

I guess it was the comparison to the New Left. Crazy or evil as it may have been, the Weathermen and others actually thought their acts were going to bring about a revolution -- or at least end a war.

I doubt Oswald thought his shooting would bring about a revolution. Could he seriously have thought replacing Kennedy with Johnson would end the Cold War?

Czolgosz, who shot McKinley, was one of several turn of the century anarchists who killed royals and politicians for political or ideological reasons, but I don't see that as quite applicable to Oswald, either.

Clearly Oswald had a lot of political ideas swimming around in his head -- he described himself as a Marxist -- but what would the end result have been? To replace Kennedy with Johnson? For that reason, I see personal factors at work in the assassination that make it harder to boil down as purely political.

The attempt on Walker could have been something purely political. Killing Tippitt was spur of the moment. Killing Kennedy may have been more complicated.

Greenfield goes in that direction when he brings in Charles Whitman, the Austin tower shooter, but then reels back to make a more purely political point.

22 posted on 11/19/2013 1:42:27 PM PST by x
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To: x

Thanks for that response.

I myself really couldn’t say. I think, though, the question is the type of response Oswald expected.

Who knows what he thought - revolution or war with Russia.

Yet, the act had serious repercussions on our nation and weakened us greatly. Perhaps even terminally, as we can see now 50 years later.

The left was hugely strengthened as well due to the US weakness.
It really was an effective political assassination.


23 posted on 11/19/2013 2:39:40 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Louis Foxwell
The murder of John Lennon, another liberal icon, in the first year of a new decade that closed the door on the chaos of the counterculture, would be a death undignified by any larger meaning.
I remember some commie stooges put up posters around Times Square, Greenwich Village, Columbia U, while 0 was in the Choom gang, and in a number subway stations that claimed Mark David Chapman was merely a stooge hired by the CIA to take out Lennon. I actually had a good laugh over that one.
24 posted on 11/19/2013 3:34:04 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Nahhh I Dont Think So

“I would include the RFK and MLK assasinations in your list, they are extremely important to show that Liberals have a very high likelyhood of targeting the very people they want to act like they support.”

If you have some links proving that the killers were documented liberals, I will include them.


25 posted on 11/19/2013 4:01:08 PM PST by Grampa Dave (You can keep your doctor, health plan, and this is only a cold sore.)
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To: x

Funny how many leftists think JFK’s assassination was a conspiracy, but yet don’t even question for a second that Hinckley acted alone when he shot Reagan.


26 posted on 11/19/2013 4:02:57 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: Nahhh I Dont Think So
No. I must have misunderstood your post. I thought I was agreeing with you.

I think Oswald's shooting Walker and JFK was INTENSELY political.

Because Oswald was a leftist.

27 posted on 11/19/2013 4:07:39 PM PST by boop (I had no IDEA I'd be paying for Obamacare. I thought it would be a rich guy.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Sirhan Sirhan was pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, so I would put him down as a mainstream democrat. At least by 2013 standards.

James Earl Ray was certainly a racist democrat, but I'd doubt he would call himself "liberal". A republican, never.

28 posted on 11/19/2013 4:12:18 PM PST by boop (I had no IDEA I'd be paying for Obamacare. I thought it would be a rich guy.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
While I don't question that the claim that a communist killed Kennedy made for much crazy-among liberals --anyone who was alive and aware that day probably remembers the early assumptions in the news reportage that a right winger MUST be involved-- there remain persistent facts about Oswald that do not support him as the shooter of Kennedy or Tippitt.

1. He did not have the paraffin test results matching those of someone who had fired a rifle
2. Eyewitnesses place him on the first and second floors around 12.25 when Kennedy was due to pass the building. The motorcade was running late. The building manager and a policeman saw him at the second floor immediately after the shooting.
3. Ballistics tests could not connect his handgun to that used to kill Tippitt.
4. Eyewitnesses to the Tippitt murder do not consistently describe a man resembling Oswald.

Was Oswald involved? Most likely. But he was probably telling the truth when he said he was a patsy.
29 posted on 11/19/2013 4:15:57 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: TheRhinelander

Thanks:

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States .
In 1963 a radical left wing communist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.
In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.
In 1981 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan.
In 1984 James Huberty a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
In 1986 Patrick Sherril a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.
In 1990 James Pough a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.
In 1991 George Hennard a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 23 people in a Lubys cafeteria.
In 1995 James Daniel Simpson a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
In 1999 Larry Asbrook a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 8 people at a church service.
In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.
In 2003 Douglas Williams a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech .
In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes went into a Colorado movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.
In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.
On 9/16/2013, another mentally ill liberal, Aaron Alexis, killed 12 innocents at the Navy Yard in Washington DC.

One could go on, but you get the point, even if the media does not.

Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats having guns.

No NRA members, No Tea Party members, or No Republican conservatives are/were involved.

SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.


30 posted on 11/19/2013 4:37:05 PM PST by Grampa Dave (You can keep your doctor, health plan, and this is only a cold sore.)
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To: ifinnegan; Nahhh I Dont Think So
I've had a little time to think it over. If you keep Cuba, Castro and the Bay of Pigs in mind (as Oswald probably did), you can say that the assassination was a left wing political act with a clear political goal: to get back at Kennedy for trying to topple Castro.

Greenfield gets into the Weathermen, Czolgosz, Sacco and Vanzetti and a lot else besides but doesn't find time for Castro and Cuba. All the name dropping was impressive at first but then you can ask questions and poke holes about whether they were all the same thing.

If he'd stuck with Castro he'd have made his point much better.

31 posted on 11/19/2013 5:40:19 PM PST by x
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To: Grampa Dave

Yeah, the info is readily available

Sirhan Sirhan was an extremely pro-arab, pro-revolution Communist, killing what he saw as a “fascist pig” Kennedy. This specific book might be a good source which could spawn other searches if you so choose

http://books.google.com/books?id=mwhydb-MLeMC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216&dq=sirhan+sirhan+communist&source=bl&ots=_W_kxpkuEs&sig=_H8_-Q8duAkyLQQmeCYanFNQDCI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bhGMUrLRMcHF2QWxoICwBg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBA

James Earl Ray was a registered Democrat who was even working at the George Wallace campaign office. He was absolutely positive Wallace would win the Presidency and pardon Ray for the killing of King - a person Ray was similarly positive Wallace would want him to kill. Links on that info is everywhere, including even his Wiki page

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray


32 posted on 11/19/2013 5:56:00 PM PST by Nahhh I Dont Think So
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To: boop

I think that was my bad, actually. Glad we agree though
(although I do find it hard to believe anyone honestly disagress, really. Even if a person feels he didn’t act alone, his motive for being involved still remains the same. Its about the only thing not really in question at all, lol)


33 posted on 11/19/2013 6:00:38 PM PST by Nahhh I Dont Think So
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To: Piranha

Knish just absolutely nails it. This guy is a national treasure.


34 posted on 11/19/2013 6:54:41 PM PST by golux
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To: Grampa Dave

Giffords happened in 2011 I believe.


35 posted on 11/19/2013 7:28:24 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Grampa Dave

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States .

In 1963 a radical left wing communist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.

In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.

In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan.

In 1984 James Huberty a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.

In 1986 Patrick Sherril a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

In 1990 James Pough a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

In 1991 George Hennard a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 23 people in a Lubys cafeteria.

In 1995 James Daniel Simpson a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

In 1999 Larry Asbrook a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.

In 2003 Douglas Williams a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.

In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech .

In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.

In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes went into a Colorado movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.

On 9/16/2013, another mentally ill liberal, Aaron Alexis, killed 12 innocents at the Navy Yard in Washington DC.

One could go on, but you get the point, even if the media does not.

Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats having guns.

No NRA members, No Tea Party members, or No Republican conservatives are/were involved.

SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats, aka liberals to own guns.

LOL - I like your list Grampa.. I guess this is why any time there’s a killing, the MSM jumps to the conclusion that a right winger is involved...


36 posted on 11/19/2013 7:51:17 PM PST by GOPJ (Was Obama giving nucluear information and equipment to Iran - through Benghazi?)
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To: GOPJ

“LOL - I like your list Grampa.. I guess this is why any time there’s a killing, the MSM jumps to the conclusion that a right winger is involved...”

Thanks. It is part of their mind set script.

I try to avoid talking to any liberal because of their screaming and whining.

If I have to talk to them about abortion or gun control:

Re abortion: I tell them, my children, grandkids and future generations will appreciate their own decimating/thinning of their own herds yearly with their racist abortions. I’m tell them that I’m against abortion, but I’m not going to argue with them.

Re Gun Control: I tell them that it should be illegal for any liberal to own any gun, knife or baseball bat. If they start to argue, I point out the killings of thousands of liberals each year by liberals often of the same skin coloring with guns in Oakland, LA, San Jose, Chicago, Houston and other liberal cities. If they try to argue, I go into the list I have posted here, starting with Lincoln to Kennedy, to Ford and Reagan.


37 posted on 11/20/2013 6:51:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave (You can keep your doctor, health plan, and this is only a cold sore.)
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To: TheRhinelander

Thanks you are correct, and I have changed my list.

The list came from one of my SIL, a second amendment advocate, and usually her research is very accurate. She messed up with some of the dates.

Freepers are the best reviewers on the earth.


38 posted on 11/20/2013 7:09:06 AM PST by Grampa Dave (You can keep your doctor, health plan, and this is only a cold sore.)
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To: Grampa Dave

LOL - life’s good Grampa... you’re having fun with liberals which can be a difficult to do. Great answers - I’ll be borrowing some for Christmas and Thanksgiving.


39 posted on 11/20/2013 10:39:54 AM PST by GOPJ (Was Obama giving nucluear information and equipment to Iran - through Benghazi?)
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To: GOPJ

LOL - life’s good Grampa... you’re having fun with liberals which can be a difficult to do. “Great answers - I’ll be borrowing some for Christmas and Thanksgiving”

Rule #1 which was passed on to me by my Grand Dad: Never wrestle with pigs, liberals, or idiots. Then, you have to get down in the mud with them. You might win, but you might be as muddy as they are.


40 posted on 11/20/2013 11:05:47 AM PST by Grampa Dave (You can keep your doctor, health plan, and this is only a cold sore.)
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