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To: JOHN W K

Seems pretty clear to me that any convention would be hijacked by the same thugs now using slower means of stealing the last remnants of Liberty in this country.

Maybe that’s not a bad thing, though. We seem to all be ok with the “boiling the frog” approach that’s been uses for the last few decades.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


3 posted on 09/03/2013 3:48:17 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: absalom01
We seem to all be ok with the “boiling the frog” approach that’s been uses for the last few decades.

Fundamentally, what's needed more than anything is a recognition that while the law will be whatever the Supreme Court says it is when the Supreme Court is acting legitimately, and while actions of the Supreme Court should generally be presumed legitimate, it is nonetheless the right and duty of every citizen to recognize the Constitution as the supreme law of the land, and recognize that any Supreme Court decision which is not consistent with any reasonable reading of the Constitution must as a consequence be illegitimate.

Additionally, I think there needs to be more clarity on the distinguishing between actions which are legitimate, and actions which are illegitimate but for which no reasonable remedy exists. A government employee who makes a bona fide effort to engage in genuinely-legitimate actions may be entitled to a reasonable presumption of good faith even if his actions aren't 100% perfect. By contrast, one who acts in ways that are illegitimate, but deliberately seeks to ensure that no remedy will be possible, demonstrates bad faith. Court which find such bad faith should go to greater-than-normal lengths to find a remedy.

6 posted on 09/03/2013 4:12:00 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: absalom01
Seems pretty clear to me that any convention would be hijacked by the same thugs now using slower means of stealing the last remnants of Liberty in this country

Who would attend Marks Levin's Article V Convention? Good question!

During the 1984 New Hampshire Convention to alter its State Constitution, which was challenged in U.S. District Court, of the 400 delegates 64 were attorneys, eight were judges, four were state senators, and 113 were state representatives and there were two legislative lobbyists….the very people who are now causing our misery!

The suit went on to charge “there has been over 175 lawyers, judges, senators and representatives out of the total of 400 constitutional convention (delegates) elected, (who) are already holding a pubic office both in the legislature and judicial branches in violation of the separation of powers doctrine, and this count does not include wives and immediate family members who have been elected on their behalf.”

Seems pretty clear that the very scum who now cause our sufferings would find their way into a Constitutional Convention.

Madison was absolutely correct when he warned us that an election into a second convention “…would be courted by the most violent partisans on both sides; it wd. probably consist of the most heterogeneous characters; would be the very focus of that flame which has already too much heated men of all parties; would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views, who under the mask of seeking alterations popular in some parts but inadmissible in other parts of the Union might have a dangerous opportunity of sapping the very foundations of the fabric”

JWK

Reaching across the aisle and bipartisanship is Washington Newspeak to subvert the Constitution and screw the American People.

8 posted on 09/03/2013 4:31:38 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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