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To: Zakeet

It seems so very odd to be rooting for the Russian over a US President...

I don’t believe Syria would be stupid enough to use chemical weapons. I believe the muslim brotherhood IS.

There was no strategic gain for Assad. There was plenty for the MB to fake it.


16 posted on 08/29/2013 11:05:08 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Mr. K

My fear is that AQ slash MB are going to provoke something now that they can no longer count on BO to do something. And then we are still screwed.


18 posted on 08/29/2013 11:07:54 AM PDT by bergmeid
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To: Mr. K

The Persians are devotees of chess.

Now suppose Iran has a mole in the rebels that knows how to gas the peasants and make it look like the government troops did it.

We zap Syria. That gives Syria the urge to strike Israel, which of course leads to retaliation from Israel.

Which brings Iran into it.

Which requires the US to live up to its promise to Israel.

And suppose that what is behind all of this is that Iran has a bomb, ether of their own making or acquired from N. Korea.

Crazy?

Bengazi
IRS
NSA
Gulf of Tonkin

All crazy. None of that could have happened.

We are dealing with some really dangerous people, some on our side and many on the other side.


20 posted on 08/29/2013 11:20:46 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Mr. K

Exactly correct on all points. I’m actually rooting for Putin to b*tch slap Obama on this because I DO think he knows it was as one UN rep said the “paramilitaries” who used the weapons.


26 posted on 08/29/2013 11:42:05 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Mr. K

“I don’t believe Syria would be stupid enough to use chemical weapons. I believe the muslim brotherhood IS.”

Not saying Syria used them, but assuming they did for a minute, someone conducted several smaller attacks leading up to the larger attack, and Obama did nothing. It’s possible presidential weakness lead them to believe they could get away with using chemical weapons - a miscalculation and diplomatic failure for Obama.

The strategic gain for Assad is that he could quickly eliminate an enemy stronghold responsible for launching attacks against his government. Securing your lines of supply and your rear areas is a strategic goal.

Just some thoughts.


45 posted on 08/29/2013 12:15:43 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Mr. K

Where’d they get it? Where’d they get the agents?

I have to believe there are markers added to this stuff that allows you to trace it, preventing EXACTLY the kind of false flag stuff that is going on now.

Were I designing this sort of weaponry, every batch would be chemically coded so that I could tell almost instantly, perhaps with some sort of quick spectral analysis, EXACTLY what happened to the batch after it left the building.

IBM can write its logo in atoms. Another way of coding this stuff that’s even more effective is by using a nanodevice that burps a low power signal when triggered by a certain wavelength of light.

You get close enough to enough of the agent you can get it to burp out enough of the signal for it to be detected once you get within X feet of it.

Now, you get a serious breach of national secrets from any one of our agencies, and these markers could work against you if you can string enough of the material out to create a falsified chain of custody, as it were, that would be as convincing as the satellite photos we hit the Russians with at the UN in 1962.

That Putin would allow Assad to use the agent AND manage to have the West blamed on it would be an expectation I’d have of a guy with Putin’s experience.

Explains why nations that understand the obvious ramifications of letting anyone, for any reason, deploy such weapons with impunity would suddenly decide that any answer to such use is now beyond consideration.

I predict Obama goes into Lame Duck Clinton mode, as Clinton did in the final two years of his admin, in the very near future. Jarrett may limit his scope to domestic stuff, but Putin’s agenda may obviate all that.

Oh, and were I Iran, I’d figure out a way to hit us hard enough to destabilize us internally. As it is, we keep having the luxury of fighting all this out on somebody else’s soil, while Americans literally remain fat, dumb, and reasonably happy.

I’m pretty sure they now have the means to do it somehow, and that Jarret’s involvement with the Admin guarantees that Iran is going to be the PERFECT, and protected proxy for any action against the US.

Imagine JFK finding out it was Ireland that launched a nuke against the US. Talk about a moment of hesitation.

You’ve got an admin that for the last six years has positioned itself against the interests of the Saudis (and the Israelis), which is to say for the interests of the Russians, only to have the Russians play him at the last minute by ensuring Iran succeeds not just in destroying Israel, but also, potentially, the US.

As we speak, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and ISRAEL have formed the ‘Axis of Reason’ in order to prop up Egypt and REVERSE OUT a coup staged by the US against Saudi interests.

Let’s not forget that the objective of the Soviets in the Afghanistan adventure was Saudi Arabia, not Afghanistan, prior to their collapse.

Between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and now fracking, the Saudis have a great deal to worry about, and no friends left outside Western Europe, which is to say some pretty weak friends.


46 posted on 08/29/2013 12:17:02 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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