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RealityBatsLast ^ | August 3, 2013 | Bryce Buchanan

[Fred Nerks]

Someone retained their sense of humour:

He said that if Charlotte were not pardoned, he would set off a rather hideous plan. He promised to trap several Chicago politicians — including Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan and Senate President John Cullerton — gently toss them in his trunk and drive them to central Wisconsin.

And there, under a full moon, he vowed to release them, to run free, and so perhaps infect America’s Dairyland with Chicago machine-itis, which is deadly to all taxpayers.

“They could start breeding,” I told Walker’s guys. “And then there will be herds of them, devouring everything. Then we’ll see how you like it.”

And Wisconsin will know how chronic wasting disease really works.

THANKS FOR THE LINK!

[null and void]

BWAHAHAHAHA!

[Post Toasties]

You either have no idea what you're talking about or you are a flat earth troll in your mindless opposition to public sector disease control.

People hunt deer across much of the US, and your total insensitivity to the likelihood of their catching such a debilitating disease is exactly mirrored in the deadly, short sighted manner in which AIDS has been handled that I pointed out.

IAC, you are being a complete fool on the subject.

[Fred Nerks]

If it’s ok with you that thirteen heavily armed men enter the property of a woman to remove and destroy a rescued animal, who am I to comment that the whole episode reeks of heavy handed authority, and could have been handled a whole lot better. What happened there reminds me of Waco.

It’s your country, you are welcome to it. What’s left of it.

[Fred Nerks]

A total fool? Really? When the only way to justify the over-kill is to demonize the woman and insinuate her intent was to take the animal ‘across State Lines’ and destroy the entire cattle industry as a result? Good heavens, as I said, I’m surprised the thirteen heavily armed men didn’t implement a scorched earth policy on her property, kill all her animals and burn down her house.
That would have shown her how serious the law against keeping wildlife was, wouldn’t it?
It’s almost as if you learned nothing from Waco. So sad.

[Fred Nerks]

The problem is you felt the need to demonize the woman to justify the force that was used by thirteen heavily armed men, to remove the animal.

You can’t have it both ways. By demonizing her, you excuse the overwhelming use of force, which was totally unnecessary.

And must have been a terrifying experience.

[Darksheare]

Granted, there were a hundred different things they could have done other than the combat raid. But with chronic wasting disease being a distinct possibility in the “abandonment” of the fawn, they weren’t taking chances. But give a small baby animal a cutsie name, a fatal disease, and release it somewhere else and you have just outlined a zombie movie script.

[Darksheare]

We have chronic wasting disease here in New York.
Onieda county if I recall correctly.
Dunno how it got here either..

[null and void]

When a child is going to do something stupid and dangerous I'm not demonizing the child by stopping him or her. I am not demonizing her by pointing out the flaws in her thought process, nor am I demonizing her if I point out the possible or probable bad outcomes of her planned actions. Nor am I demonizing her for citing examples of other peoples actions or failures to act and how the consequences can and have impacted people for generations to follow.

Is this chimpanzee evil?

I'd say no. But I'd also say giving a chimp a loaded gun is a bad idea. I would deplore the thought processes of anyone foolish enough to do so.

But the absolute worst case is this cute little guy could kill at most a half dozen or so people or animals.

Wisconsin is already contemplating the dreadful necessity of having to eliminate entire herds of deer, keeping vast areas of the state deer and elk free until the soil contamination fades, and then painstakingly reintroducing healthy deer. Should Illinois have to do the same because a fawn had a cute name and was fuzzy?

Maybe you think an animal Holocaust is a fine idea, as long as it's half way around the planet, but I certainly don't.

Demonizing? I save that for politicians and bureaucrats who KNOW what evil they are doing.

[Ken H]

You're shifting the focus from where it belongs - on the inappropriate use of SWAT raids.

Are you OK with SWAT raids in these kinds of situation?

[Elsie]

Like INDIANA??

http://www.google.com/search?q=indiana+baby+deer&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475

[Elsie]

ONLY 50 million?

I can trump that!!

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I'd like to thank the United States Government for protecting me and my kind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You see, 40 years ago, my odds of making it out of the egg, alive, were very poor; about 80% of us died. 

 (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=rachel-carson-silent-spring-1972-ddt-ban-birds-thrive)

 

 

But a lady discovered our plight and wrote a book that addressed our problem,

and, in 1972, a law was ammended protecting us even further. (http://www.fws.gov/midwest/eagle/protect/laws.html)

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find strange is that the same government passed a law the very next year that allowed for killing

of unborn, and apparently unwanted, humans.  Little ones still nestled safely in their Mother's womb.

Around 25% of them are dying before birth - on average nearly 3,300 - every day of the year.

 

 

I hear that by now, somewhere around 55 MILLION of them have perished.

Wouldn't that kind of mess up the humans plans for growth, and welfare, and

retirement?

 

 

 

 

 

Strange birds; these Homo Sapiens.  Perhaps they'll come to their senses

before they are ALL dead!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd like to thank the United States Government for protecting me and my kind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You see, 40 years ago, my odds of making it out of the egg, alive, were very poor; about 80% of us died. 

 (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=rachel-carson-silent-spring-1972-ddt-ban-birds-thrive)

 

 

But a lady discovered our plight and wrote a book that addressed our problem,

and, in 1972, a law was ammended protecting us even further. (http://www.fws.gov/midwest/eagle/protect/laws.html)

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find strange is that the same government passed a law the very next year that allowed for killing

of unborn, and apparently unwanted, humans.  Little ones still nestled safely in their Mother's womb.

Around 25% of them are dying before birth - on average nearly 3,300 - every day of the year.

 

 

I hear that by now, somewhere around 55 MILLION of them have perished.

Wouldn't that kind of mess up the humans plans for growth, and welfare, and

retirement?

 

 

 

 

 

Strange birds; these Homo Sapiens.  Perhaps they'll come to their senses

before they are ALL dead!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[null and void]

Where have I said that the size of the raid was appropriate? See post #3, Post #15, post #34, post #40, and post #42 on this thread.

For that matter, check out my posts on the earlier thread. I think the first one was "Bambi meets Fedzilla", where I deplored the total overkill of sending 19 federal agents out to raid the sanctuary and murder this innocent baby deer.

I was wrong, of course.

The "facts" I responded to were incomplete and missing crucial details.

First off there weren't 19 of them. That was the result of Bistromatic Math, adding the date into the total.

Second, there were no federal agents involved, none.

Third, and most crucially, the deer in question wasn't Bambi, it was a foundling from an area known to be contaminated with CWD, an invariably lethal brain rotting disease for which there is no test, no cure, no vaccination, no treatment and no cure, on that can spread to livestock, and can infect people.

Fourth, the woman in question was conspiring to move "Typhoid Bambi" to an uninfected state.

I have been very consistent is saying this was a job for a couple people, Maybe two uniforms or a single uniform and a vet.

That being said, the reportage is so slanted that we simply don't know if they tried to prevent millions of dollars in economic damage, the devastation of another state's livestock industry, and ultimately the loss of who knows how many people's sanity and then lives, with a just couple people earlier that week and failed.

Indeed, we don't know if their politely asking crazy cat lady to turn over the deer is what hatched the myxomatosis-addled-hare-brained idea of protecting the deer by deliberately breaking quarantine and moving it to a clean area.

Until that detail surfaces I have to reserve judgement on how excessive the response was, I think it was way overboard, but given the level of environmental threat and crazy cat lady's track record, we just don't have enough information to know if a more proportional response was possible.

Remember, Wisconsin is looking at utterly devastating their own deer herds and losing millions of dollars in tourist income for decades to come to try and contain this disease.

Passively allowing it to be deliberately spread would be just plain stupid at best, and criminally negligent at worst.

You tell me, was this use inappropriate?

You can't.

You and I can agree that it sure looks excessive, we can deplore the heavy handedness of LEOs gone wild, we can hand-wring and bemoan the implicit loss of freedom, and the loss of deer [sic] little Bambi's life, but given the known effects of CWD on herds, livestock and people, and given that we simply don't know if there were earlier more proportionate attempts, we can't say this was the minimum force needed to ameliorate the ecological threat.

[null and void]

While we’re at it, count the number of children and adults that have died of malaria since Rachel Carson.

I used to bicycle in the clouds of DTT behind the fogger truck, and although some here would argue that I’m mad as a hatter, there don’t seem to be any other long term effects.

Poor Rachel Carson, responsible for more human deaths and misery that Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao combined.

Did you know she was dying of breast cancer when she wrote Silent Spring? That she thought DTT caused cancer may have colored her writing, just a wee bit...

[Elsie]

Some are more equal than others.

[Elsie]

Remember, Wisconsin is looking at utterly devastating their own deer herds and losing millions of dollars in tourist income for decades to come to try and contain this disease.

Come to Indiana!

We gots lots of them!

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http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3359.htm

[null and void]

Indiana used to have chestnut trees so dense that a squirrel could cross the state tree to tree without ever touching the ground.

Failure to quarantine dutch elm disease rendered them extinct.

That was pretty hard on all the wildlife and po’ folk who depended on chestnuts to survive.

[Elsie]

We gots lots of them!

We don't even need hunting licenses here!

Ya buy them thar deer whistles in the afternoon; put 'em on yer pickup BACKWARD; and drive around at dusk.

You'll soon have you a deer!

[Elsie]

Indiana used to have chestnut trees so dense that a squirrel could cross the state tree to tree without ever touching the ground.

Failure to quarantine dutch elm disease rendered them extinct.

Well; no WONDER!!

[Elsie]

Indiana used to have chestnut trees so dense that ...

Cryphonectria parasitica is what yer lookin' fer.