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To: DiogenesLamp
I have shown you dozens of pieces of information that support an ACCURATE understanding of "natural born citizen", So has Edge919, so has Spaulding, so has rxsid, so has Ray76, so has any number of people. (Sorry if I didn't mention you by name) Yet no matter how much proof has been shown to you, you simply repeat the assertion that "you haven't had a single one in favor of your claims."

As far as I am aware, every single significant point that has been brought out by birthers - and there have been DOZENS AND DOZENS of them - is bullsh*t.

Let's start with the birth certificate claims.

I can't think of even ONE point out of the DOZENS made by birthers in regard to the birth certificate that doesn't meet one of the following:

Factually shown by someone to be FALSE.

Factually shown by someone to be IRRELEVANT.

Factually shown by someone to be NOT GOOD EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.

Completely disputed by an expert with far better credentials (e.g., the guy who actually invented most of the technology used to optimize the PDF - Prof. Ricardo de Queiroz)

"Secret" evidence that can't be disputed because the people saying they have it won't even say what it is.

In fact, Woodman's book ripped the whole "fraud" theory totally to shreds.

In other words: It's all bullsh*t. ALL of it.

As for the natural born citizen stuff, I can't think of ONE single point, out of the DOZENS AND DOZENS of points made by you and others, that doesn't fall into one of the following categories:

Shown by someone not to support the claim made. (For example, there is not the slightest direct historical evidence that the Founders were referring to Vattel's idea of citizenship when they wrote "natural born citizen.")

Shown to be in conflict with the way terms were used on numerous other occasions.

Shown by someone to be a misrepresentation of what the person actually said, and/ or of his actual position, as shown by other quotes conveniently ignored by birthers.

Shown to have been taken out of context, and not to mean what birthers claimed, when understood in the context it was said.

Shown to be simply a false claim.

Shown to be irrelevant to the claim made.

Shown by someone to have been made by someone who was not an authority, or who was at least matched or (far more often) completely overruled by a far greater authority.

So in other words, the "natural born citizen" claims by you and other birthers are ALL BULLSH*T. ALL OF THEM.

At what point will Free Republic object to your repetition of provable lies? At what point will they warn you to stop your lying?

This from the guy who has posted LITERALLY DOZENS AND DOZENS OF VERIFIABLE MISREPRESENTATIONS, and who can't name even one single deliberate "lie" or misrepresentation I have EVER made, who now physically threatens me again and again ("If we were in the same room, I would have already started teaching you some respect.")

I'd actually love for us to be in the same room. I'd love for you to try "teaching me some respect."

I might not even fight back.

But you can bet I would sue you for every penny you're worth.

60 posted on 07/04/2013 12:12:25 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
So in other words, the "natural born citizen" claims by you and other birthers are ALL BULLSH*T. ALL OF THEM.

Here's that lie again. Like I said, variations on a theme for this bozo.

Here is James Madison refuting you, but again, you will say its "ALL BULLSH*T".

I might not even fight back.

I suspect no one would be able to tell if you did. By the way. That crap you posted above...? Not worth responding to.

Of course that could be said about most anything you write.

69 posted on 07/04/2013 12:43:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Jeff Winston
Factually shown by someone to be IRRELEVANT.

A Certificate of Naturalization on file with DHS makes place of birth, with regard to eligibility, irrelevant. DHS, custodian of all U.S. immigration records, says Obama is an immigrant to the U.S. living in America from 1971 to 1983 as a permanent resident alien with Indonesian nationality. Obama naturalized in 1983 and was issued a Certificate of Naturalization.

Regardless of any vital records concerning Obama in the State of Hawaii, Obama is a naturalized U.S. citizen and ineligible to be POTUS. Federal documents supersede state records.


112 posted on 07/05/2013 11:11:34 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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