If you've got the certificate, present verifiable documentation. Otherwise, it's simply speculation.
Like so much of birther stuff.
Speculation is not proof.
Personally, I'm absolutely certain Obama is a reptilian alien and is actually a stepbrother of George W. Bush and Lady Gaga.
Your “citizenship” is your claim on/to a nation that is also that nation’s claim on/to you.
It’s similar to property claim/title concepts, such as in real estate and vehicles, for examples most have experience with. Or, given the number of single parents, very common to issues of adoption, inheritance, etc.
Who and what then has the right to claim you and vice versa or pass along to you such claims and entitlements, such as they may be, as a result of your birth?
Is it the Monarch/Emperor/Government who/that owns claim to all territory and those living there? Yes.
Does citizenship also come from one or both parents? Yes, from one or both.
Thus, a child can be and often is claimed by the nation that owns the territory where that child is born.
And, a child is also claimed by each parent and each parent’s nation via their citizenship.
Essentially, a child could be born in a country that neither parent is a citizen of. What then? Who has claim of citizenship and vice versa?
Do all of the King’s subjects and their children belong to the King, no matter where his subjects give birth? Sure, that’s not uncommon.
Does the King claim all children born in his Kingdom, regardless of what nation their parents might belong to? You bet.
Are their international legal claims that have supported or been reasons to go to war over regarding these examples throughout history at the time of our founding? You betcha.
Nations have over time developed a vocabulary to precisely define each type of citizenship based upon the circumstances of that child’s birth, whether they recognize them or not and what the rights and privileges of each might be and international laws and treaties that state them.
Knowing this, having experience with the concepts and issues noted and with history, the FFs chose a precise definition/class/standard of citizenship to avoid all legal or allegiance issues/problems/contentions, and keep it in the family, so to speak.
Of those, the FF chose the highest standard, the only one that avoids all such potential issues.
The only classification/definition that can possibly do this a condition where all claims have the same ultimate source: a child born in the country that both parents are citizens of.
No matter how anyone or any nation defines citizenship or the basis for any and all claims by parent, child or nation/ruler, that child is a Natural Born Citizen of that nation and NO OTHER.
For the single, most powerful person in their new government, with 1/3 of its legislative power, the power to sign treaties and bills into the laws that govern us, and with control over the nation’s armed forces, they went with the highest standard and so noted it in the eligibility requirement.
This is what I was taught in 5th grade. It is backed up in my life experience. It is supported by common sense.
You and all the others who come here to blow fog on this issue will not talk me out of this belief until you counter the above logically.
But you won’t, because you can’t.
And, you won’t because you have to:
1) cover up whatever was done to elect obama and
2) force the lesser standards on US to ram amnesty down our throats again for those who broke in and now claim citizenship via adverse possession.
Logically, NBC is a three input AND gate where the inputs are nation and citizenship of mom and of dad.
The only one that comes up true is where all inputs are the same.
That's a Natural, NOT native, Born Citizen.
Let’s stay focused, Jeff.
You stated no one has proven the birth certificate to be irrelevant in determining the eligibility for the office of POTUS. I provided an example of a situation where the birth certificate was irrelevant in determining eligibility for POTUS; i.e. Obama naturalized years after his birth and made his place of birth irrelevant.
Here’s another example:
Regardless of where John McCain was born, he is eligible to be POTUS because his parents were U.S. Citizens at the time of his birth. Regardless of where McCain was born or what information is on his birth certificate, his parent’s citizenship status at the time of his birth make him eligible for POTUS. Consequently, the birth certificate is irrelevant.
It’s a false narrative perpetuated by Obama supporters that Obama has proven he eligible by providing the currently available records from the State of Hawaii. Obama needs to waive his privacy rights and disclose his immigration records with DHS to prove he did enter the United States in 1971 as an Indonesian National and naturalize in 1983. His birth certificate is irrelevant and amendable.