[sickoflibs]

RE :”Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems like this initial vote to proceed passed by a bigger margin than the GWB/mccain/kennedy amnesty in 2007, and that's not a good sign.”

Yep, that was much worse than I thought it would be. 82-15.

Dems plan is to get at least 70 on the final vote to ‘force’ the GOP House to pass it without major changes

If it fails like the gun bill did, then the votes FOR it now wont matter for those that vote to kill it at the end,

But if it makes it out of Senate then all 82 are traitors and it is a massive sellout by them, even if some of them vote against it at the end.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Yep, that was much worse than I thought it would be. 82-15.

One reason that I would like to see more NO votes now, even though members can vote NO later, is that the margin of YESes probably lowers the morale of any potential anti-amnesty voters, and of course does the opposite for the bad guys.

But if it makes it out of Senate then all 82 are traitors and it is a massive sellout by them, even if some of them vote against it at the end.

Cornyn, for example, who voted YES, might be trying to avoid p***ing off the Dems, so that his "90% apprehension rate" (poison pill) amendment would be better received by the enemy. Maybe Joe Manchin?

Seeems like odds of passing that amendment (in the senate anyway) are pretty darned small.