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To: CatherineofAragon
Article II, Section 1 of the U.S Constitution. I'm just not seeing the problem with Cruz's eligibility. There seems to be none, in fact.

Then let me help clarify the problem for you. Ted Cruz owes his citizenship to the Citizenship act of 1934. Had congress not passed this law, Ted Cruz would not be a citizen. "Natural born citizens" do not require the operation of a law to be citizens. They are citizens by nature.

Ted Cruz shares the exact same circumstances of birth as Aldo Mario Bellei. They were both born in Foreign nations to American Mothers and Foreign Fathers.

Bellei was stripped of his citizenship because he did not adhere to the requirements of that citizenship act of 1934 which granted him citizenship.

A natural citizen is not a citizen by the virtue of a man made law, and so has no requirements to which he must adhere.

If Bellei could be stripped of his citizenship, so could have Ted Cruz had he not adhered to the requirements specified in the Citizenship act of 1934. Again, this is the distinction. A "natural" citizen does not have to adhere to any requirements, and cannot be stripped of citizenship short of treason.

107 posted on 05/06/2013 3:18:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp; rxsid

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”

Again, article II, section 1.


111 posted on 05/06/2013 3:44:56 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ( (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization))
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To: DiogenesLamp

Excellent analysis.

BTW....

Acceptable documents for citizenship at this link:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/436.407

I find it interesting if you are a true natural born Citizen and have no passport and no state-issued drivers license that does citizenship verification you will not have ‘acceptable’ papers according this.

Most natural born Citizens of the US do not have this ‘proof’ since most live in states that do not do citizenship verification and most do not have passports.

If you NEED one of the other proofs of citizenship then you are basically NOT a ‘natural’ Citizen. Your citizenship is dependent on a law that lead to the creation of the forms of proof of citizenship. You may be a ‘born’ Citizen. And many, many are. But you are not a ‘natural’ Citizen.

This website says it in simple terms.

http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm/start_here/4birth_abroad.htm

“If the child returns to the U.S. without a Form FS-240 being filed, an application may be made for a Certificate of Citizenship. Obtaining this certificate involves presentation of basically the same documentation required to obtain a Consular Report of Birth. Under law, the Consular Report of Birth and the Certificate of Citizenship are equally acceptable as proof of citizenship. File USCIS Form N-600 (Application for Certificate of Citizenship) with your nearest USCIS office. “

To be ‘granted’ citizenship via an act of Congress form FS-240 is needed. A natural Citizen needs no such paper work.

Sidebar. Note that I split ‘natural’ and ‘born’ and indicate each stands on its own when talking about Article II, Section 1. I continue to believe this a valid way to look at what the founders did. They took every comma, every capitalization and every punctuation seriously and ensured technical accuracy. They also wrote in accurate, but plain, English. ‘Natural’ and ‘born’ are adjectives that provide definition to a target noun. In this case a proper target noun - Citizen. The is no ‘term’ ‘Natural Born Citizen’. If the term had been unique and ‘created’ uniquely by the founders they would have capitalized all three words. They did not. To hold the office of President you must be a Citizen. And what characteristics must you have a a Citizen. You must be natural - owing your citizenship to no man-made law that may be put aside by men. And you must be a born Citizen. A born Citizen is a Citizen FROM birth. Note - ‘FROM’ not ‘AT’. It means you must have never relinquished your Citizenship at any point. There is no hyphen, there is no ‘undefined term’. The words natural and born are simple adjectives that put specific requirements on the Citizen who is to hold the office. ‘natural born Citizen’ = ‘natural Citizen and born Citizen’. Many cite the ‘born Citizen’ to indicate the eligibility of requirement of Article II, Section is fulfilled. They indicate it is Citizen AT birth. This inaccurate. It is Citizen FROM birth. There can be no breakage in citizenship. But even if they properly indicated FROM birth they only have half the requirement. The requirement of a ‘natural Citizen’ means no man made law dictates your Citizenship. It is ‘natural’. Hopefully by showing that ‘natural born’ is not a magic term CREATED by the founders we can understand the requirement of Article II, Section 1.


184 posted on 05/07/2013 7:24:14 AM PDT by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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