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To: Ray76
By the way, the full quote from Trumbull illustrates what TRUMBULL understood "subject to the jurisdiction of" to mean.

Now, does the Senator from Wisconsin pretend to say that the Navajoe Indians are subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? What do we mean by “complete jurisdiction thereof?” Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means. Can you sue a Navajoe Indian in court? Are they in any sense subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? By no means. We make treaties with them, and therefore they are not subject to our jurisdiction. If they were, we would not make treaties with them. If we want to control the Navajoes… Do we pass a law to control them? Are they subject to our jurisdiction in that sense?

So it clear that, according to Senator Trumbull, those who:

are members of our society, with whom we do not make treaties, and those who

are subject to our LAWS.

People who participate as a part of our society, rather than some other society that we make treaties with, and who are SUBJECT TO OUR LAWS, according to Senator Lyman Trumbull, are SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

358 posted on 04/04/2013 12:49:38 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
By the way, the full quote from Trumbull illustrates what TRUMBULL understood "subject to the jurisdiction of" to mean.

Now, does the Senator from Wisconsin pretend to say that the Navajoe Indians are subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? What do we mean by “complete jurisdiction thereof?” Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means. Can you sue a Navajoe Indian in court? Are they in any sense subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? By no means. We make treaties with them, and therefore they are not subject to our jurisdiction. If they were, we would not make treaties with them.

Do we not make treaties with the British?

362 posted on 04/04/2013 1:05:59 PM PDT by Rides3
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To: Jeff Winston
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372 posted on 04/04/2013 2:40:00 PM PDT by ObligedFriend
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