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To: Ray76
“The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.” - Sen. Trumbull, framer of Amend. 14

And when Trumbull said those words, who was he talking about?

The children born here, in American society, of non-citizen parents?

NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

HE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT INDIANS, BORN IN INDIAN TRIBES.

Here's the entire quote:

Now, does the Senator from Wisconsin pretend to say that the Navajoe Indians are subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? What do we mean by “complete jurisdiction thereof?” Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means. Can you sue a Navajoe Indian in court? Are they in any sense subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? By no means. We make treaties with them, and therefore they are not subject to our jurisdiction. If they were, we would not make treaties with them. If we want to control the Navajoes… Do we pass a law to control them? Are they subject to our jurisdiction in that sense?

This is what people who make the kinds of claims you're making do. Take a quote, strip it of its context, and make it say something IT NEVER SAID IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The FACT is, Trumbull NEVER, EVER said that non-citizens living in our society were not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States," and he NEVER, EVER said that the children born here of non-citizen parents were anything other than natural-born US citizens.

So once again you TWIST AND MISINTERPRET our Constitution, all the while PRETENDING to act like a conservative.

I don't know about your politics, but your BEHAVIOR is not that of a conservative. Because conservatives CONSERVE the Constitution that our Founders gave us. They don't misrepresent it and attempt to rewrite it according to whatever they want it to say.

353 posted on 04/04/2013 12:23:08 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Treaty with China, for just one thing.


356 posted on 04/04/2013 12:43:10 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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